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gibingus,
Your summation of my arguments is not weighted the way I weight the arguments. To restate and to include some reconsiderations after having experienced this thread so far, I'd say I posit that there is no option to authoritarianism in the postmodern age. (I've said this repeatedly in several different ways). Given that situation, we already live in the most advanced authoritarian systems ever devised by man. In the US, we inhabit a situation described well by roachboy. I agree with his sense of the framing of experience by media/television.
As for your assertion that media is too complex and varied to function as an effective control mechanism, I would posit the opposite. Its complexity and seeming variety, in terms of content and methods of delivery, are simply different tentacles of the octopus whose grip on us is - and will continue to be - absolute.
As for your second point, I have a long history and solid credentials as an "underground artist" (I’ll share those with you in a PM if you are interested). As you haven't buttressed your conviction that underground art, etc. is as you say, I think my own experience is worth referring to as a base for my opinion. My own personal conclusion regarding the effectiveness of this aspect of media is that its ultimate effect is to provide the necessary illusion of "free expression" in the midst of absolute control that I have referred to elsewhere here.
roachboy,
The only thing I'd amend at this time in your analysis is that I have not focused on advertising here. You may be referring to the "Mass Media Mind Control" thread in GD. I accept "media" as broadly defined by gibingus as a good overall description of the mediascape. I don't have a problem with your focusing on television as the main framing device today. I agree that it conditions our experience of all media to an extent that your premise has significant validity.
This post doesn't necessarily further the discussion. It's just intended as a clarification of my positions as we move things forward.
Thanks for the continuing effort. I do think we're getting somewhere - ableit slowly.
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