Man, this is turning into a good old-fashioned Politics board "discussion."
Guess Ill jump back in
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Originally posted by phyzix525
people can't pay 200 for a good accountant when it could save them hundreds if not thousands, sounds like they are poor at math.
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Seriously, listen to yourself. You've just called an entire tax bracket stupid because they dont have the money or the knowledge to exploit the tax loopholes. You just confirmed Bush's statement--more affluent people tend to take advantage of the tax loopholes. Take care of *that* before you go bitching and whining about needing to cut taxes. Jesus
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Originally posted by shakran
no, the middle class by and large can't afford a personal accountant to help them exploit loopholes. The rich can. Doesn't make the middle class dumb.
Now, you classified yourself as being above the poverty level. You also mentioned that you took $2,000 from the government last year rather than paying them anything.
Surely you're not going to sit there and tell me that that was the intention when the tax code was written. Sure, it works out great for you, but SOMEONE's gotta take up the burden. As you mentioned, it's gonna be a middle class guy because the rich (and apparantly you) have either the knowledge or the ability to hire someone with the knowledge to sluff their tax burden off on someone else.
That is bullshit, and that's where the tax reform needs to start. Close the loopholes so that at the very least the government is not paying people at tax time.
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Agreed.
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Originally posted by kutulu
 Agreed. And now we have an arc. The thread got way off topic but worked it's way back. It goes back to the original intent of this thread that Bush is full of shit.
His comments about how the rich will just get out of paying taxes shows that he doesn't give a shit about making his group pay up their share. If he did give a shit, he'd close the fucking loopholes.
It's not that difficult. If an accountant can find the loopholes, then the government can. It seems like they only exist so that the rich can run around saying "look how much I get taxed" while avoiding as much tax as possible.
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Very much agreed. Those loopholes were pushed by and put into practice by those with the means and knowledge to exploit them. They didnt just randomly appear. Its like a private club of affluent citizens able to effect change to get themselves more money while placing more burden on middle and lower America. Thats not something I would aspire to...