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Who comprised the "they" that said this?
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Many sociologists/politicians after WWII. Sorry I cant back up with who to read, did a 15 page report last semester on it and I'll look through my old paperwork if you want me to, just I'm currently moving so it's all boxed up.
Sorry if I did sound like a dick on that, I probably should have sent it through a PM, and I'm editing it out of my previous post.
Roachboy nice post, I disagree with you but it's clear you spent a long time on the rhetoric.