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Originally posted by cthulu23
Think of it this way, hannukah harry (and this is a simplification, as is damn near any post about the Israel issue)...
We may have won the war in Iraq, but the people there will only allow the US to perform limited actions. Occupying a land is a tricky, blood soaked task, regardless of history or cultural imperative. Any overtly hostile action that Israel takes will undoubtedly harden resistance against it. Whatever you believe about the issue, it should be obvious that Israel can't just expel all of it's "enemies" at will (there are already thousands upon thousands of resentful refugees out there).. Israel may be one tough fucking coutry, but they can't survive with no one on their side.
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but that's not the issue. with iraq, the US mainly claimed WMD as the cause of the war and proclaimed that they were not coming to conquer the country, but remove it's current govt.
israel, on the other hand, was attacked. they never started a war, and they managed to always gain territory in those wars. i'm sorry if people disagree with me, but i think that if you choose to go to war, and lose, then shut the fuck up and stop crying to the UN about "they stole our land." my previous post wasn't about the the refugee's either, it was about the way isreal and its disputed territories are viewed by the rest of the world.
as far as i'm concerned, the land is israels. i think that they should have been more inclusive from the start, that may have caused less problems. but when you consider that israel deals with the palestinians, in some regards (outside of anti-terrorism modes) jordan, where many of the palestinians are from, along with all other arab countries, refused to take them.
on the topic of the legality of the territories, there was an article i read recently on the UN resolution that most people use as justification for it being illegal. it was written by one of the people who drafted that resolution and explains how most people misunderstand it and that in fact it is a legal occupation of the land. i'll try to find it, but don't get your hopes up. i'll edit if i can (until then, feel free to consider that hear-say and inadmissable if you choose to do so).