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Originally posted by dtheriault
regarding payton's HOF credentials.
He's never made an All NBA first team in his entire career.
Never an MVP (pretty tough to be voted MVP i'll admit)
I'll throw two more names at you. As contemporaries, but not on stockton's level.
Kevin Johnson
Tim Hardaway
Tim used to break peoples ankles, and Kevin was soooo solid.
Both of them made All NBA first team on multiple years. Both of them had higher scoring averages for multiple years and both of them averaged over 10 assists per game for multiple seasons and have several seasons with a 9+ apg average. I think Payton had only 1 year with a 9+ average. Plus it took Payton 4 or 5 years to really get going.
Do I think he'll get elected. Yes.
Should he be mentioned in the same HOF breath as Shaq, Kobe, and Karl.
No way.
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Actually, you are incorrect about a couple things.
Payton made All NBA first team twice (97-98 and 99-00).
Kevin Johnson never made All NBA first team, and Hardaway made it once (96-97), not multiple years. Check out
HERE for the list.
KJ had five seasons of averaging 20 plus points per game, and Hardaway also did it 5 times. Payton did it seven times though, and he has a higher career scoring average (barely) and his highest scoring average for a year is more that KJ's and Hardaway's highest.
Maybe you mean that the two scored more in particular years than Payton, but I don't see what point that proves.
For refrence: KJ played 12 seasons, Hardaway 13, and Payton has played 14.