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roachboy · 07-11-2004, 02:41 PM

so then wonder is fine with the split between the formal and substantive rights.
and it is now clear that the obsession with individual rights does not extend to individuals who are not wealthy.

fine--that is how capitalists and those who carry ideological baggage for them have always defined the inidivudal that matters---those tho work for a wage, who sell their labour power--not to mention the poor, the unemployed---are what marx said they were for capitalists--appendages of the machine--a faceless, anonymous mass whose primary function is to be expoited (the race to the bottom in wage terms is obviously fine---no ethics, no ethical problems, easy--qed even) for example

and if the time comes that they organize or react to the conditions created by a radically unequal distribution of wealth, they become the object of repression by the "necessary" forces of order.

the above position also assumes that there is no--not a shread--of understanding directed at the reality of class stratification, the cultural and economic and social consequences of that stratification.

but conservatives dont like looking that that--they prefer thinking about an abstract fictional world where systematic inequalities do not exist and everything can be reduced to a individual choices.

well, in a situation of unequal conditions, individual choices are not identical. this should be obvious--it pertains to the real world, not the fantasy indulged by right ideology.....

at least the more honest of the conservatives admit that the consequences of their position is relegating those who do not hold capital to a hobbesian state--live nasty brutish and short.

well done---pure early 19th century capitalist barbarism in its undiluted form. the result of a great race backward.

since the people on the right like to talk so much about children--the above position, particularly on questions of basic health care--- really does mean that the lives of the children of the poor, of the part-time worker, of the underemployed, of the unemployed are worth less that those of the children of the wealthy.

that is what it means.

created equal?

bullshit.

07-11-2004, 02:41 PM	#73 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	so then wonder is fine with the split between the formal and substantive rights. and it is now clear that the obsession with individual rights does not extend to individuals who are not wealthy. fine--that is how capitalists and those who carry ideological baggage for them have always defined the inidivudal that matters---those tho work for a wage, who sell their labour power--not to mention the poor, the unemployed---are what marx said they were for capitalists--appendages of the machine--a faceless, anonymous mass whose primary function is to be expoited (the race to the bottom in wage terms is obviously fine---no ethics, no ethical problems, easy--qed even) for example and if the time comes that they organize or react to the conditions created by a radically unequal distribution of wealth, they become the object of repression by the "necessary" forces of order. the above position also assumes that there is no--not a shread--of understanding directed at the reality of class stratification, the cultural and economic and social consequences of that stratification. but conservatives dont like looking that that--they prefer thinking about an abstract fictional world where systematic inequalities do not exist and everything can be reduced to a individual choices. well, in a situation of unequal conditions, individual choices are not identical. this should be obvious--it pertains to the real world, not the fantasy indulged by right ideology..... at least the more honest of the conservatives admit that the consequences of their position is relegating those who do not hold capital to a hobbesian state--live nasty brutish and short. well done---pure early 19th century capitalist barbarism in its undiluted form. the result of a great race backward. since the people on the right like to talk so much about children--the above position, particularly on questions of basic health care--- really does mean that the lives of the children of the poor, of the part-time worker, of the underemployed, of the unemployed are worth less that those of the children of the wealthy. that is what it means. created equal? bullshit. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 07-11-2004 at 02:48 PM..