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Old 07-08-2004, 03:22 PM   #51 (permalink)
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actually, i was reacting to your rhetoric from earlier in the thread.
your position seems to be that the gun in itself, the possession of it, guarantees your "freedom"===i think that argument is idiotic.

it is also a routine argument made by far-right fringe elements who imagine that gun control will lead to slavery for "real americans" at the hands of some international conspiracy, which usually ends up being the un. these guys like to wear camo and play paintball in the woods.
since you do and say nothing to differentiate your position from that one, but instead rehearse elements of that line, what exactly do you imagine someone reading your posts is to think?

in addition--and this is directed at you in particular, wonder--you routinely ignore arguments you do not like and act as though repeating your position functions as a rebuttal.
you should make some consession to the fact that this is a written board and at least present the appearance of taking other positions seriously. and given that this tendency of yours is systematic, someone who wants to engage in a debate is left trying to explain why this situation obtains. and thinking that you do not read carefully is one such conclusion. if that is wrong, then my apologies--but it would really help if you would at least try to indicate that arguments that oppose yours register at some level at some time. otherwise, once again, there is no conversation, no debate, and no point in wasting time on this politics board.

and cosmo--what moral argument do you see me making?
what i was trying to say is that what matters is the politics that frames not only gun possession but also thinking about gun possession. so it seems that you are repeating my point, in a kind of invert, paranoid way.

i also said that picking the signs (words, images) that structure the dominant discourse, especially conservative discourse, without showing at any point that you can think about these signs except in conventional ways, means that you are not free, but rather that you are trapped in a closed little world--one that i would and could argue is wholly self-defeating, but that is a seperate matter, another thread maybe..

the same argument would apply to my own position too, btw---i try to think about these matters--i dont know if i am always equally successful,--but i try to do it.
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if i find myself incomprehending of conservatives, it is in the main because they refuse to consider that they are not absolutely correct, that their terms are eternal truths, etc....

if you are stuck in repetition of empty terms, no number of guns will free you.

if you imagine yourself somehow part of a dangerous movement, which is an old trotskyite tic as well, btw---which more often than not is a way of adding drama to a life of total political insignificance---- then the problem is probably psychological and again no number of guns will get you out of it.

if you are planning a revolt, i would be interested to hear about what political viewpoint motivates you. then i could see why you would worry.

having a gun because you are waiting for some undefined eventuality just means that you have a gun while you wait for some undefined eventuality.

if you see a level of chaos around you such that you feel unsafe, you probaly should think about the problems posed by capitalism in its relatively unregulated form for an explanation---a single person asembling an arsenal in his basement isnt going to change anything.

if having a gun is therapeutic for you, then have a great time with it. that sort of relationship is not political, and is not of the slightest interest to me.
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