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				Originally posted by gondath 
 You couldn't really have true value in nothing and be happy because happiness itself is putting positive value in something. i'm somewhat of a nihilist because I believe nothing inherently has value. I don't think it's really possible for a living creature to remove all value in anything, no matter how hard we try. 
			
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 I'd love it if you could expand upon this point. I like what you're saying but I just can't wrap my mind around it if you get what I mean.