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Originally posted by Lebell
An interesting question, but I think we are missing some definitions.
Specifically, where are you drawing your boundries? Because I can see making them large enough so that any "system" is closed, but that some players (mystics) may be working with a subset of data.
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The boundary is if everything we know is because it is from a common line of evolution.
Vauge example: all life started on earth from one thing. All things evolved with same consciousness.
I also think that the arguements for matter having consciousness hold up so it could go even farther back than "life".
Without typing a long essay it is hard to make specific points since they all reference something else that would need explaining.
But something else neat to think about. What if the reason there is matter is because we are on a constant cycle of evolution and involution. Our consciousness is a perfect example of the evolution, but once we reach 'non-dual' states where everything and nothing are One, is there room for matter? If we reach a point where there isn't, could it be possible that there is an involution back down - spirit to mind to matter.
An example would be how we can explain all matter with physics(maybe not yet, but with advancements in science it will get to this point). Physics is purely from the 'mind/logic/rationality' stages and doesn't really "exist" Yet it can explain everything that happens in the material world around us.
I am not suggesting that through meditation or whatever people can reach a state of consciousness where their matter disapears. But what if this All was a system, and at higher stages of the system it didn't require matter(require is probably the wrong word but I hope the idea is understandable)?