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smooth · 07-01-2004, 02:59 PM

Second roachboy,

but if you insist on using his words regardless, Hwed, it would behoove you to refrain from quotes that undermine your position.

Unless you are going to argue that the top 1% wage earners are harder working than industrial or service workers...

wonderwench: are you arguing that the "poor" are represented by elected officials and that the top 1% wage earners are a minority*? That is, that the interests of the top 1% wage earners are not reflected in the policies of our government?

If so, I find your claim strange. Wealth is persistently correlated with voting behavior. Wealth also grants access to public officials in all sorts of ways. This thread was started about a dinner party that one had to pay $10,000 dollars to attend. Hillary was speaking to her constituents--and they weren't firemen, police, or steel workers. They certainly weren't a room full of single women trying to raise children while looking for gainful employment.

BTW, why is it that raising children is not looked upon as a job in itself? I hear people castigating women who stay home on welfare to raise children (I'm not going to deconstruct this myth in this thread--I'll just pass on it for the sake of my point), when in reality it seems that is exactly what they should be doing--staying home and taking care of their children.

Unless of course you think the wealthy children are going to grow up and become the factory workers it might behoove you to support the raising of an industrial army. Maybe you don't want impoverished parents reproducing. In that case, you might need to reconsider your stance on immigration...someone has to do the menial labor and it isn't going to be Chelsea...contradictions abound.

*(definition time: minority in this context should mean one's political power, not size of group--you may have twisted it on accident. Social scientists mean one's ability to get something done in this country when they speak of a "minority," not how many people comprise their group)

07-01-2004, 02:59 PM	#130 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	Second roachboy, but if you insist on using his words regardless, Hwed, it would behoove you to refrain from quotes that undermine your position. Unless you are going to argue that the top 1% wage earners are harder working than industrial or service workers... wonderwench: are you arguing that the "poor" are represented by elected officials and that the top 1% wage earners are a minority? That is, that the interests of the top 1% wage earners are not reflected in the policies of our government? If so, I find your claim strange. Wealth is persistently correlated with voting behavior. Wealth also grants access to public officials in all sorts of ways. This thread was started about a dinner party that one had to pay $10,000 dollars to attend. Hillary was speaking to her constituents--and they weren't firemen, police, or steel workers. They certainly weren't a room full of single women trying to raise children while looking for gainful employment. BTW, why is it that raising children is not looked upon as a job in itself? I hear people castigating women who stay home on welfare to raise children (I'm not going to deconstruct this myth* in this thread--I'll just pass on it for the sake of my point), when in reality it seems that is exactly what they should be doing--staying home and taking care of their children. Unless of course you think the wealthy children are going to grow up and become the factory workers it might behoove you to support the raising of an industrial army. Maybe you don't want impoverished parents reproducing. In that case, you might need to reconsider your stance on immigration...someone has to do the menial labor and it isn't going to be Chelsea...contradictions abound. *(definition time: minority in this context should mean one's political power, not size of group--you may have twisted it on accident. Social scientists mean one's ability to get something done in this country when they speak of a "minority," not how many people comprise their group) __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman