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roachboy · 06-29-2004, 06:29 AM

was thinking a little more--one of the core principles shared by conservatives that i know is the suspicion of state authority---they do not trust the state to function rationally---how does this principle (which one may or may not agree with--this is not the point) square with a support for the patriot act and the suspension of habeas corpus?

maybe it is a matter of viewpoint---if your immediate community does not include muslim folk, you might be more amenable to buying the rationales proffered---but if your community does include lots of people who are muslim, then things look very very differently. since 911, the families of some of my muslim students (for example ) and the students themselves have endured harrassment--sometimes physical violence--at the hand of various yahoos---for a long time, some of these folk--particularly the older ones who live in the suburbs--- were afraid to go out---with time, the threat of physical violence in good ole vendetta form carried out by cretins who were simply following the logic of bushworld shifted to a pattern of legal harrassment---it is obvious if you have seen any of this kind of thing in action that the quality of information being acted upon is suspect at best in many many cases---however, even this many of these people might have been able to excuse as the result of disquieting times had basic legal protections remained in place--but in combination with the administration's creation of the legal black hole---no.

there is a funny correlate to this---many of these same people voted for bush on social conservative grounds--you will not find that happening again. and this is not a small community.

06-29-2004, 06:29 AM	#18 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	was thinking a little more--one of the core principles shared by conservatives that i know is the suspicion of state authority---they do not trust the state to function rationally---how does this principle (which one may or may not agree with--this is not the point) square with a support for the patriot act and the suspension of habeas corpus? maybe it is a matter of viewpoint---if your immediate community does not include muslim folk, you might be more amenable to buying the rationales proffered---but if your community does include lots of people who are muslim, then things look very very differently. since 911, the families of some of my muslim students (for example ) and the students themselves have endured harrassment--sometimes physical violence--at the hand of various yahoos---for a long time, some of these folk--particularly the older ones who live in the suburbs--- were afraid to go out---with time, the threat of physical violence in good ole vendetta form carried out by cretins who were simply following the logic of bushworld shifted to a pattern of legal harrassment---it is obvious if you have seen any of this kind of thing in action that the quality of information being acted upon is suspect at best in many many cases---however, even this many of these people might have been able to excuse as the result of disquieting times had basic legal protections remained in place--but in combination with the administration's creation of the legal black hole---no. there is a funny correlate to this---many of these same people voted for bush on social conservative grounds--you will not find that happening again. and this is not a small community. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 06-29-2004 at 06:32 AM..