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again, using your experience with people does not offer evidence to anything. as before, the potential for injury is chronic, for the biomechanical reasons above. Just before they don't have the injury now does not mean the upright row is not being detrimental to damaging scar tissue or inflammation of the joint or whatever the effect is. as for studies you don't need to look at them to know with all the rotatory work done such an exercise will have a greater potential of injury than others, esp if there's a weakness in that area, like the rotator cuff, or inflexibilities, or whatever.

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fyi, i don't read bodybuilding mags, haven't in years. but i am a certified personal trainer and almost done with my bachelors in sports med/ex. science. don't make assumptions, you know the old saying...

yes I do. but it doesn't seem much if you think there's a big difference gaining muscle through so called strength or bodybuilding training. back in the old days of bodybuilding there was no such difference.

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and you're right, i haven't answered your question about the extra plane of motion in the arnold press. i don't know if it does help or not, but from personal experiance and that of others, it seems to... so other than you're dissenting opinion, the general opinoin seems to be that it's a good exercise.

why does general opinion mean anything....lets talk common sense for the moment and forget the journals. If you're about to DB overhead press with 95% of 1RM, keeping in mind you're working your delts, would you really bother to spin this heavy ass weight around, maybe hurt your wrist in the process, and have less energy for the press? there is no point. Google can't even find a point to them.