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Originally posted by brianna
this has absolutely no baring on reality -- the founding father's are not god nor were they psychic, so what they think about whether or not god endows us with all of our rights is irrelevant, their opinion on this topic is no more or less valid then yours or mine. we are no more or less likely to lose rights or morals if we are no longer "one nation under god" than we were likely to gain morals when that phrase was added to the pledge in the 50s.
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So the same great men YOU praise for the Constitution and the 1st Amendment that you are using, you are now ripping? Makes sense, use what you want disregard and tear apart the parts that don't serve your causes purpose. (We all do it, so don't think I am singling you out, it's the hypocrasy that is the US.)
Again, Brianna, It's not about the pledge for me. It's about preserving MY country's heritage ALL OF IT. This country was founded on A SPIRITUALITY.
I want to go to my town square and see Santa and a Christmas tree and hear carollers. I want to be able to see my kids go Easter egg hunting in the park. If people of the Jewish, Hindu, Buddha, Moslem faiths wish to have that same park and town square display their religious relics, so be it. It may actually help us learn from other faiths and erase prejudices.
As for the 10 Commandments in court, if the judge is Muslim let him put up verses of the Koran, Hell, let a Buddhist judge put a Buddha on his bench. IT IS HIS WORKSPACE. If he can't do his job without prejudice then the people will vote him out of office, people are not thet stupid, although I know some way out lefties wish to believe they are better and far more intelligent than the masses.(And there are many judges who have prejudices that don't have any religious symbols in their court so the by having a symbol he uses religion to justify, is rather BULLSHIT.)
The point is religion, no matter who, what, where you are is always going to be a part of your surroundings (well at least in any populated area. Even the tribes of Africa and Pygmys and those not "civilized" have spirituality). You will not make it ever disappear and you cannot ever seperate it from the government of ANY country or community. All you can do is share your views and educate others as to your beliefs (or disbeliefs).
If you keep fighting, and demanding people take away that which in some way makes them feel good, you are in for a severe fight, that you will not win. Even if you take out tyhe words GOD from government, have it so they can't legally recognize any religion, you will cause more hatred over that fact and people will eventually rebel.
In fact, knowing that Christianity is a very, very high majority of people, I would venture to say that there would be a push for an amendment to recognize GOD. And that would be a travesty.
And for those who would disagree, look at the push for an amendment over the definition of marriage.
Look at me, I truly didn't care for a long time but it has gotten ridiculous because you people do not stop, you keep wanting more and more and more.
Why instead of all this fuss, can you not educate people about your views? Perhaps more people would listen and eventually changes would happen. BUT, these people would rather act like a martyr and demand change now and not settle for ANY compromises.
I'm tired of it. That's why partisan politics have gotten so bad. Tired of people wanting everything their way and not willing to compromise at all. It is destroying our country faster than BUSH, Terrorists, an illegal war, class warfare, globalization, whatever.