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pan6467 · 06-17-2004, 05:45 PM

For those thinking this is just about the pledge to me, it isn't. I have watched as our country has given and given to people who dislike things, and some were fair and needed but some like God is getting ridiculous.

These people will not be happy until GOD is taken totally out of anything government.

The argument I gave above about the muslim lady that by religion had to wear a veil for her picture on her DL, was argued by saying she is not a "government actor".

But he missed the argument. If government recognizes any one religious tradition they must honor them all.

Therefore BY that nature there cannot be a true seperation. Not to mention the elected religious people who govern whether consciously or not will vote by their religious backgrounds and teachings. Are we to tell a huge majority they cannot vote for religious men/women because that is not seperation of church and state. That we are to elect only those that do not believe.

Every session of Congress is opened by a prayer.

As for atheism, it is a belief in nothing and it is a conscious decision to lack spirituality, and that in itself is a belief and a spirituality.

A total indifference to spirituality and religion is a lack of any belief. Like hatred, true hatred towards someone is not anger, dislike and whatever negative emotion. True hatred is a lack of any emotion towards that person. The emotion most believe or say is hatred is an overwhelming amount of negative emotion towards the subject.

As far as whether or not a spirituality of some form promotes morals moreso than none, ask the millions upon millions who have used a 12 step recovery or similar program, or a spiritual belief system to recover and live a better life. Tell them that there is no higher power.

Of course there are people who have recovered without a program or spirituality program but the percentages and actual recoveries are so heavily supportive of 12 step and spirituality, there is no true competition. That to me is all I need as evidence of a higher power, and when I did release myself to a program and found a higher power I could believe in my life, like the millions and millions before and after me has gotten far better than when I lacked one.

06-17-2004, 05:45 PM	#76 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	For those thinking this is just about the pledge to me, it isn't. I have watched as our country has given and given to people who dislike things, and some were fair and needed but some like God is getting ridiculous. These people will not be happy until GOD is taken totally out of anything government. The argument I gave above about the muslim lady that by religion had to wear a veil for her picture on her DL, was argued by saying she is not a "government actor". But he missed the argument. If government recognizes any one religious tradition they must honor them all. Therefore BY that nature there cannot be a true seperation. Not to mention the elected religious people who govern whether consciously or not will vote by their religious backgrounds and teachings. Are we to tell a huge majority they cannot vote for religious men/women because that is not seperation of church and state. That we are to elect only those that do not believe. Every session of Congress is opened by a prayer. As for atheism, it is a belief in nothing and it is a conscious decision to lack spirituality, and that in itself is a belief and a spirituality. A total indifference to spirituality and religion is a lack of any belief. Like hatred, true hatred towards someone is not anger, dislike and whatever negative emotion. True hatred is a lack of any emotion towards that person. The emotion most believe or say is hatred is an overwhelming amount of negative emotion towards the subject. As far as whether or not a spirituality of some form promotes morals moreso than none, ask the millions upon millions who have used a 12 step recovery or similar program, or a spiritual belief system to recover and live a better life. Tell them that there is no higher power. Of course there are people who have recovered without a program or spirituality program but the percentages and actual recoveries are so heavily supportive of 12 step and spirituality, there is no true competition. That to me is all I need as evidence of a higher power, and when I did release myself to a program and found a higher power I could believe in my life, like the millions and millions before and after me has gotten far better than when I lacked one. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 06-17-2004 at 05:50 PM..