A lot of the responses that are FOR tipping seem to be focused more on WHY the worker in question needs tips and how tips are divided between the other works. I know all that. I'm simply saying it's fucked up. I really do feel bad for them, however, they aren't FORCED to work that position.
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There's a lot more than just taking the order and bringing you the food and the check. They have to know everything on the menu, what the sides are, what can or can't be substituted, and make sure it's all correct. Where does the blame fall when your burger has the mayo on it that the customer didn't want on it? The server. Can they reasonably know that it had mayo on it without picking through the entree? No, but the blame still falls on them.
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Knowing what's on the menu, etc.. that stuff, in this situation, is trivial. There's only one thing I order. Like I stated, we all order pretty much the same thing. If my order comes out all f'd up, I'd blame the kitchen before the server unless the server really jacked up the order somehow.
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People come into the establishment looking to make people's day shitty also. They know that they can be as dickish as they want and still get their ass kissed. The server has too put up with all that bullshit too.
Lastly, they have too put up with asshole managers who are always on their asses about how their tables aren't spending enough money. At some places, they have to do "punishment" work if the guests don't average enough drinks/appetizers/etc.
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That really is unfortunate, but if they dislike it they COULD go work somewhere else. I'm not sure how that ties into why I have to tip them. Janitors at porn shops need to mop up jizz. That's a pretty shitty job. Does anyone tip him?
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All in all, you know how the place works. You are served and are therefore expected to tip. It's not some bonus to the server, it's their life you're fucking with if you don't tip. Nobody is forcing you to eat at places that have tipped employees. You can easily eat at McDonalds if you wish to avoid tipping.
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I know the consequences of not tipping, which is why I always tip IF I'm in that type of situation. I just won't agree with it... especially if we eat out for lunch. The person who takes our order seriously has to do NOTHING and gets an automatic $5 for that. There's just... something wrong with that.
You're right. No one is forcing me to eat there, but at the same time, no one is forcing that person to work there. No one is forcing the restaruant to shaft employees and make their wages tip based.. which is the entire point of why I made this thread.
It's definitely something people take for granted that SHOULD be questioned. There are many things in society that should be questioned (for example.. why violence is okay, but sex isn't even though sex is a part of life). If anything, at least give us the option (as customers) to place our own orders and get our own drinks. I'd be up for that!
From your posts, I take it you have a job where you get tips. I don't mean to offend you by my point of view and I'm certainly not blaming those who have jobs that need tips, I'm simply blaming the establishments and society overall for such a screwy system.
I don't agree on shafting people out of tips.. I just flat out avoid all those situations that would require one.