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Originally posted by nanofever
The judge is acting as a government actor. Government actors can't endorse a specific religion. The Ten commandments directly endorses Christanity and the whole "no god but me" statement at the top is an additional problem. That is why the 10 commandments are a no-no.
The purpose is to put a gigantic freaking wall between church and state. When those two groups mix, bad things happen. I'm not saying "no religion". I am saying "no interaction between church and state". If you want to live in a country when religion is entwined with government, I have several middle eastern countries that come to mind.
Okay first off, bullshit. Individuality comes from a lot of different areas. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that anyone who's individuality is entirely defined by their spirituality is already a "zombie", as you put it. Your statements also seem to suggest that people without a spiritual side have no moral, in which case, I have several choice words for you but will be satisified with the statement of ignorant, very, very , ignorant
Second, keep the strawman to your self because nobody needs it. No one is suggesting we empose atheism on the whole of society. The idea is that for freedom of religion to exist; the government must be free from religion. That idea is the cause for a push to a government free of religion.
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First of all, the judge's job is to hear the case before him unbiasedly, as a representative of LAW not the government. If you choose to believe he represents the government, fine but if that were the case no lawsuits against the government would ever be heard and won.
Secondly, it is his workspace, he should be able to have whatever he chooses to have before him. If the Majority of people do not like what he has in his workplace then they vote him out of office or whatever. He is not forcing his views on anyone, noone has to read the 10 Commandments in his courtroom.
(By the way the 10 Commandments are from the OLD TESTAMENT and are Jewish also not just Christian as you have argued. It tells me you have a true hatred for Christianity not spirituality.)
Thirdly, a vast majority of people are religious and spiritual, and whether we like it or not the vast majority run their lives by their spirituality. Therefore YOU WILL AND CAN ONLY ACHIEVE TRUE SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE BY ELIMINATING ALL RELIGION. Because the people in government are going to rule by their religious beliefs and their perspectives which have been set by the religious and spiritualities they hold. So you will never achieve true seperation.
Fourthly, I did not say those without a spirituality lacked morals, I said a SOCIETY lacking spirituality becomes immoral. Even Atheism is a spirituality and a belief.
I did not attack you personally, I did not call you names. YOU HAVE DONE BOTH TO ME. If you want to debate fine but do so without attacking me. I do not like being called ignorant and threatened to be called choice words because my beliefs differ from yours. Is that not EXACTLY the major part of your argument against this "Christianity" ruled government.