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Yakk · 06-16-2004, 07:07 AM

I found it interesting paying attention to who attacked who.

The Conservatives mainly attacked the Liberals.
The NDP mainly attacked the Liberals.
The BQ mainly attacked the Liberals.
The Liberals mainly attacked the Conservatives.

Each party was attacking the party they viewed as their competition.

The Liberals figured that the Conservatives where gaining votes from people who agreed with the Liberal platform, but didn't like the scandals. So, they had the most to gain by beating down the Conservatives with attacks on their social and fiscal policy.

The NDP attacked the Liberals because the Conservative base is so far from the NDP base that there isn't much chance of defection. So, they attacked their nearest neighbours.

The only party with any political capitol in Quebec other than the Bloc is the Liberals. And that isn't saying much. So, the Bloc's attacks where mainly aimed at the Liberals.

And the Conservatives are riding on the Liberal scandals to drum up support for themselves.

Giles was a good speaker: he was much quieter than the other speakers, which leads to the "listen carefully, he must be saying something important" effect. There was one mistake made: he was cornered into talking about seperation of Quebec from Canada, which won't help him with is softer supporters.

Aforsaid Bloc gaff was triggered by Harper. Given that Harper has written off almost all of Quebec, I can't help but wonder why in the world he forced that issue. A weaker Bloc will probably result in a stronger Liberal party, and who else besides the Bloc will Harper form an alliance with in parliament?

The NDP stayed on message: we will be fiscally responsible, but instead of paying down the debt we will spend it on programs. I did find it strange that the two parties most ideologically opposed (Conservatives and NDP) had the least venom in their interactions.

Martin was stumbling. He stressed good enough past government, fiscal responsibility, Canadian nationalism and social libertarianism. Some of his debating techniques where better than his opponents: for example, ever notice how often Paul managed to get the last word? He played the clock quite well.

Critisisms:
Layton had a glued-on-smile.
Giles didn't even try to have closing arguements.
Harper was overly wooden.
Martin was overly defensive.

06-16-2004, 07:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	I found it interesting paying attention to who attacked who. The Conservatives mainly attacked the Liberals. The NDP mainly attacked the Liberals. The BQ mainly attacked the Liberals. The Liberals mainly attacked the Conservatives. Each party was attacking the party they viewed as their competition. The Liberals figured that the Conservatives where gaining votes from people who agreed with the Liberal platform, but didn't like the scandals. So, they had the most to gain by beating down the Conservatives with attacks on their social and fiscal policy. The NDP attacked the Liberals because the Conservative base is so far from the NDP base that there isn't much chance of defection. So, they attacked their nearest neighbours. The only party with any political capitol in Quebec other than the Bloc is the Liberals. And that isn't saying much. So, the Bloc's attacks where mainly aimed at the Liberals. And the Conservatives are riding on the Liberal scandals to drum up support for themselves. Giles was a good speaker: he was much quieter than the other speakers, which leads to the "listen carefully, he must be saying something important" effect. There was one mistake made: he was cornered into talking about seperation of Quebec from Canada, which won't help him with is softer supporters. Aforsaid Bloc gaff was triggered by Harper. Given that Harper has written off almost all of Quebec, I can't help but wonder why in the world he forced that issue. A weaker Bloc will probably result in a stronger Liberal party, and who else besides the Bloc will Harper form an alliance with in parliament? The NDP stayed on message: we will be fiscally responsible, but instead of paying down the debt we will spend it on programs. I did find it strange that the two parties most ideologically opposed (Conservatives and NDP) had the least venom in their interactions. Martin was stumbling. He stressed good enough past government, fiscal responsibility, Canadian nationalism and social libertarianism. Some of his debating techniques where better than his opponents: for example, ever notice how often Paul managed to get the last word? He played the clock quite well. Critisisms: Layton had a glued-on-smile. Giles didn't even try to have closing arguements. Harper was overly wooden. Martin was overly defensive. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.