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That sort of thing doesn't seem to happen much. Are you proposing as an ideal form of discussion?
I also like these comments by HarmlessRabbit:
"Well, if we're going to put our notions to this standard, then we should also only be talking about what we, personally, can do or achieve. I think this is a very fruitful way to re-position political thinking.
Let's face it, 99% of what we talk about here is just armchair quarterbacking. I personally can have very little effect on the war in iraq, gun control laws, abortion laws, or the overall political percentages in the USA.
Ask yourself "what have I personally done to make the things that I feel passionately about better?" I know, when it comes to politics, I'm much more idle now than I was a few years ago. I used to be involved in local political action, demonstrations, and other activities, and I used to regularly donate to political groups that I strongly believe in. I haven't done that recently. Now, I have a "good" excuse, and she's about two feet high, but that's really not a good reason to put my beliefs on hold.
I know it wasn't exactly what Art was getting at, but I do think a big part of the idealistic/realistic frame of mind is also thinking about what *you* can realistically do."
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I agree with that wholeheartedly. I like the sense of pragmatism it's grounded in.
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