2 more cents (after actually thinking before I type)
As I read over the posts of this thread again, it occured to me that the basic problem with this argument (discussion) is that we don't all start from the same place. If there is no common ground of core beliefs, then it's like arguing opinion: there's no accounting for taste. You either like something or you don't. You either believe that the bible is the infallible word of God, or you believe something else (from my point of view).
Debates are interesting and fun, but if one side completely denies the existance of most of the other side's argument, then there is no debate, just a pissing contest. This applies, I think, to both sides.
In conclusion, I'd just like to say that I have no illusions of changing anyone's mind. Just don't hold the same illusion of changing mine.
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