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Old 06-10-2004, 03:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
raeanna74
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Re: a dangerous trend in parenting

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Minors will have a tough time finding any sort of job outside of maybe fast food. It can be very, very difficult, if not impossible to move out on wages like that.
This is for a reason that minors have a hard time finding other work. Work opportunities and wages are most often based on experience. Also I can think of a lot of factory type jobs that are open to 16 yr olds and pay even better than fast food. When I started out working I sometimes worked 3 part time jobs at a time to get more income. I have worked, fast food, waitressed graveyard shift at a truck stop, and done housekeeping. None of which are glamorous jobs. They're all steps in the right direction.

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I don't think you'll find a lot of apartment complexes renting out places to minors. This forces them to move out with older people who are probably friends or boyfriends/girlfriends. Don't exert pressure if it's not their fault they still live at home. I live with my parents because I haven't found a job able to support me until I finish my degree.
Why are they forced to move out? If the parents are abusing the minor the government can be brought in. Kids can live in foster homes. I know it's not perfect but things can be done. If there is no abuse and the kid is just being spoiled then they aren't going to succeed on their own anyway.

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Parents need to come up with reasons for their rules. This is supposed to be a democracy.
A family is not a democracy. In fact our nation is not really a democracy even. It's a republic. Parents should come up with reasons for their rules. In a perfect world they would be able to communicate those reasons to the child. We don't live in a perfect world and not all children are exactly geniuses or understand their parents reasons.

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I like my laws to have a good foundation behind them, too. I understand their children may not be seeing the whole picture, but parents should have concrete motivations for everything they do.
Most parents do have a motive for their actions. Most parents don't simply pull rules out of their head for no reason at all. Most problems with children understanding their parents rules is a different sense of priority.

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No one forced them to have kids. They have a damn responsibility to the life they chose to create.
If they are supporting the kid - i.e, putting a roof over their head(even if it be an efficeincy apt), clothing, and feeding them - then they are doing their responsibility. Anything beyond that is not a requirement. Name brand clothes, gourmet food, and giving the child their own bedroom is not a requirement - it's going above and beyond DUTY.

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You can't abuse or kill a homeless person just because you have a job and they don't or because you end up paying taxes and they don't.
You can't abuse or kill a child either for ANY reason.

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A parent's choices affect their childrens' lives.
Yes this is very true. BUT once you are an adult you are responsible for what YOU do with your life.

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Children and parents should have a good speaking relationship. I just don't see why some families don't see this as possible or acceptable. You should be willing to explain things to each other. Parents can teach kids, but kids can be teachers, too. A lack of communication could very well be a large part of problems sprouting up in a family.
Yes this is very important. Communication is one thing that is essential in marriage and family. Kid do teach you a great deal as well. A teacher is not a good teacher unless they are learning too.

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Threats and insults are not good for parenting.
Yes you are right. Blind threats and insults are degrading and break down communication. If a parents threatens instead of simply giving consequences for the childs behavior then the child cannot trust the parent to keep to their promises - Promises for punishment or for positive reinforcement. Giving a child appropriate consequences for disobedience is not a blind threat and is good parenting.

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I mean it's pretty obvious a parent who begins and ends any objection with this is my house,like it or get it isn't all nice and friendly in other parts of his life. I'd be willing to doubt parents like that are good to their kids in the absence of any conflict either. Property is not all their is to life.
I heard my parents say this to my brother. Their requests were QUITE reasonable and yet he refused to listen. They asked him to pay rent and they would drop most of the rules - he agreed but never paid up. So they asked him to move out as he was 18. He wanted the rights of an adult so he must take on the responsibilities. It was their house - they had done the work to get the nice house they had. We could have grown up in an efficiency apt but it was important to my parents to earn enough to pay for a nice house (3 bedroom - not fancy) in a good neighborhood. THEY earned the house and THEY had the right to say how people behaved in their house.

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Maturity and respect need to be earned by parents and children alike.
Yes we all need to work to be worthy of respect and we all need to strive to continue to mature all our lives. Children should give respect to their elders though as life experience is a great teacher and parents and adults have more life experience than children. Granted some adults and parents are immature louts but the number of immature adults is smaller than the number of immature children (including 17/18 yr olds).

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I'll be getting a degree in psychology soon, so family problems are a large part of what I'll be dealing with in counseling.
I hope you will have developed a more open mind before you begin practicing. The problem does not solely lie with the parents. Children - especially adult children are responsible with what they do with their own lives. I've seen some children who grew up in foster homes because of abusive parents actually turn into some of the most mature, responsible, giving people I know. It's up to you how you deal with it.

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This was not meant to be a flame but a reaction to a dangerous trend of blaming the victim.
The victim should never be blamed. Especially when it comes to a crime. I assume you are referring to the child as being the victim? Are they the victim of abuse? or of rules? Rules are a part of life. You must learn to abide by them or apeal them in a calm logical manner. Too many people today are claiming to be the victim and giving their lives over to the victimizers. Where is the fight? Why let it dominate your life? If you have been dealt a rough spot in life you deal with it and you move on. You don't get bitter because bitterness will eat away at you and affect only you. You are then victimizing yourself. The Victim mentality is self handicapping. You choose your response to trouble. Choose to push forward to improve yourself.

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I'd appreciate if more parents could be teachers and even friends to their children rather than overlords and tyrants.
A parent and teacher is FIRST a parent and teacher, SECOND a friend. A parent who tries to be a friend who do anything to make their child happy even to allowing them to do things that may not be as healthy for them. A teacher who strives to first be a friend and make their students happy first will loose control of the classroom, the students will become disruptive (trust me I've seen it) and no one will learn. How can you teach if no one is learning. A parent can become a friend but should not strive to be one first place. A parent should LOVE their child as much as is in their heart to love. A child will recognise that unconditional love and that is better than just trying to be the child's friend.

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nails the windows in the second floor of their daughter's room shut.
Why would they even come up with the idea to nail the window shut on the SECOND floor?? Has she snuck out before? Then she has done something wrong - broken a curfew. An early curfew sucks but it's not going to end your life - trust me I endured one at 18. I put up with it because I knew I would be better off staying home and getting my schoolwork done and going to bed at a reasonable hour. Whether you comprehend it or not there may be good reasons for rules that parents put up there.
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