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Old 06-07-2004, 07:57 AM   #44 (permalink)
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ah yes--the problem with posting to a board is that your position gets garbled with those of others. i actually do not use categories like those you cite because they function as you say they do--define particular variables/interest groups before any analysis has actually been done and lets you write them into what you are doing as necessary features. also, such terms function as pretexts for folk who are inclined to swat away this kind of work without taking it seriously.

so say, art, that we agree on the semantic matters you raise.
you still haven't said anything about how your counter analysis might be organized==what its premises might be, what material you look at, and how you draw conclusions to support your position (as i understand it)----are you looking to people like reed irvine for support? that appears to me to be the case, but i dont know for sure. what exactly constitutes this thing called "liberal bias" for you? are you simply repeating the conventional wisdom of the am radio right, or are you thinking of some particular features?

it would be nice if you took the question seriously, rather than trying to divert the matter onto something ancillary. it would be nice to be able to have a real conversation with a conservative on this kind of thing--you dont seem a fool, so all the more reason to see if you would like to actually talk about the questions you raise.

btw, dont waste your effort defending a notion of objectivity--the only objective proposition is that there is nothing objective. we could talk about that if you like, but i think it a straw man. what we are talking about is cultural conflict. cultural power comes from controlling the frame of reference. at this point in the states, conservative discourse is the dominant frame of reference. how individuals self-identify is irrelevant--positions are constantly rearticulated across shifts in frame of reference, but these positions say nothing about news products either in themselves (professionalism obliges) or about the terms used a lingua franca to order information. self-identifications might indicate a particular, conflicted indivdual relation to that frame, but it would not necessarily effect how stories are organized, what categories they use to stream factoids--and even if individual conflicts did surface within a given story, that story circulates as a single element in a stream of similar elements and deviations tend to get smoothed away.

so what exactly are you talking about?
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