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Old 06-04-2004, 12:10 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Originally posted by apeman
evolution is a good theory and pretty much fits the facts we have, so I'd have to go with it for the moment
For what it's worth, I agree with this completely, with the caveat that evolution is an incomplete explanation as well at present. It does seem more consistent, based on what we think we know at present. It's also an explanation of "how," and descriptions of how, in my opinion can't approach a question of "why" in anything more than an indirect fashion.

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argument (2) is interesting, but I don't really know enough to comment fully. However I suspect that DNA changes are far from random in nature.
I can't verify the second one either, although I think that Wilber had some sources. He argued from a starting point of the statistical calculation regarding randomly typing monkey producing Shakespearean work, pointed out that the monkeys would take something like 100 billion years, then pointed that DNA is much more complicated than Shakespeare, etc. I just thought it was interesting. I'm personally of the persuassion that everything has a deeper meaning than simple scientific explanation. The rules of science are there for our convenience; nature works just fine even if we don't understand it.

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that evolution being true is not a proof that there is no god - any logician could tell you that. it annoys me when people argue that way


I guess that's another one for dogma versus spirituality.

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mind you, can you imagine an omnipotent being trying to explain to some fairly ignorant tribe thousands of years ago exactly how he created the universe? metaphor would be the only way for them to make any sense of it at all.
Precisely. Or "spiritually enlightened" people thousands of years ago trying to describe their insights in terms that people would understand without personifying the "deity."

In any case, I personally don't understand the personification of God, and thus I don't fret too much over the interpretation of how many of God-years = 1 man-year. I take the whole thing as an anology; really as part of an anology which was pretty useful in providing some sort of structure to society for a while. I'll bet that if we're still around in a few thousand years, that all of our stuff now about the Big Bang and so forth will be encapsulated in some sort of new religion as well.
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