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Originally posted by Superbelt
Well the point I am trying to make right now is, equating Louima to Clinton is just silly. But I think I did a fairly good job of showing the consequences of Bush giving money to Karimov, knowing his history, waiving the rules for him to have to improve their human rights record. In fact a large portion of that money is going directly to the agency that is responsible for most of the torture and murders.
I may only post up about 5 cases, but go to any human rights watch website or amnesty international and you will get your fill of it easily.
To me there is such a gulf between those two situations that to even try to equate them is foolish and really just detracts from the seriousness of it.
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But let's say, for argument's sake, that Karimov did want to eradicate torture. There is a very good chance that he could not wipe it out altogether as even in our police stations it occurs.
I know it's a stretch but there is a valid point in there that should not be dismissed entirely. I don't think he was "wrong" in bringing up the point. It's a discussion path that the two of you could have gone down rather than dismissing each others points entirely. You could easily have brought up the other reports of torture and talked about how the torturers are not punished and that it seems to be a recurring theme under Karmimov unlike how it was a relative aberration in US society.
It's obvious this situation hits close to home for you. Is there a particular reason that this country's situation bothers you more than say a China, North Korea, et al?