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Old 06-02-2004, 10:25 AM   #43 (permalink)
onetime2
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Originally posted by Superbelt
No, but it does irk me when you post blunderbuss. That article you posted had no relevance in even a passing way to what I started this thread as, or towards the discussion that ensued.

There is a direct link between Bush, money and Islam Karimov.

So, like I said in my last post. Either discuss our relations with Uzbekistan and Islam Karimov, or leave this thread. I don't want diversions from this topic. You bringing up Louima has no relation on anything discussed so far. It is as far away from what this is supposed to be as if someone else brought up the legion of malnourished children in america. They are both important topics, but have nothing to do with this. This is too important to be cast aside as you have tried.
I think he made a point that was very much relevant. While it's not the route I would have gone in discussing it, it has relevance. The point was the person in the article was killed in a police station and directly relating it to the leader of the country without evidence is akin to blaming Clinton for not enacting reforms that would have prevented the Louima crimes.

Certainly no leader can immediately stamp out all abuse especially when it has been widespread for so long. The article provides no data on the numbers of abuses in prior years and only points to the 5 documented cases in the past year as evidence of "insufficient" progress.

Certainly you can respond by pointing out that the torturers will likely not be held accountable, that the police actions of pointing a gun at the mother of the victim are unacceptable, etc, etc, etc. But there are sufficient reasons to offer a theory that abuse occurs in even the most civilized of systems.

Just my .02

Thanks for bringing this thread up again though SB as rereading it reminded me that civilized discussions are possible here in Politics. This one between us was downright chummy.
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