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pan6467 · 05-22-2004, 05:30 AM

I get tired of these self rightous peabrains that believe that the Iraqis deserved the torture or that none of it was torture.

First, the argument made over and over is what seperates us from them when we do this? Absolutely NOTHING.

In fact it makes us look like hypocrites, as we preach about "saving them from a bloodthirsty dictator" and yet treat them just as callously. It only instills more hate, more anger, a bigger desire to destroy us. I would not be surprised at all if more Iraqis (who welcomed us at first ) now hate us and are plotting against our men. So when they torture our men we now have no right to call foul. And that is pathetic, because these people will do alot worse to us. But we stooped to their level and now we have become or at least can be portrayed as barbaric as they.

We are fucking making it so much easier for these terrorists to recruit people who before the tortures (we have been proven to give out) would have stayed away and perhaps been allies to us.

So by all means, keep praising and saying how great it is we torture them, so that they may find even more reason to fight and win.

Secondly, how can we ever get world support for this war. We are acting like fucking renegades and destroying any alliances we have....... oh except for that great peaceful nation that lives off our taxes called Isreal. Britain is going to see leadership change and will no longer stand with us. The only countries that will be there are from the old Warsaw Pact and they are there because we are paying them. They will pull out when their people realize the money isn't worth it.

We have pictures, we have statements from the investigators, the prisoners and the guards, not to mention Red Cross statements. How anyone can defend what we did is beyond me. Why don't we just fucking put targets on our men and women over there now.

And if I were a conspiracist I'd say the administration plotted all this from thge torture, to it getting out (why would anyone be stupid enough to take pictures of torture, and how did they get out into the press's hands?), so that we'd see a drastic upswing in the violence against us so that we'd have more reason to stay there. So the blood of our men spilt because of this I blame 100% on Bush, Cheney and Rummy. And can only say that until we get rid of them, and show the world that the torture was not approved by the masses here and that we will punish those that did this, the Muslim world now has their martyrs.

05-22-2004, 05:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I get tired of these self rightous peabrains that believe that the Iraqis deserved the torture or that none of it was torture. First, the argument made over and over is what seperates us from them when we do this? Absolutely NOTHING. In fact it makes us look like hypocrites, as we preach about "saving them from a bloodthirsty dictator" and yet treat them just as callously. It only instills more hate, more anger, a bigger desire to destroy us. I would not be surprised at all if more Iraqis (who welcomed us at first ) now hate us and are plotting against our men. So when they torture our men we now have no right to call foul. And that is pathetic, because these people will do alot worse to us. But we stooped to their level and now we have become or at least can be portrayed as barbaric as they. We are fucking making it so much easier for these terrorists to recruit people who before the tortures (we have been proven to give out) would have stayed away and perhaps been allies to us. So by all means, keep praising and saying how great it is we torture them, so that they may find even more reason to fight and win. Secondly, how can we ever get world support for this war. We are acting like fucking renegades and destroying any alliances we have....... oh except for that great peaceful nation that lives off our taxes called Isreal. Britain is going to see leadership change and will no longer stand with us. The only countries that will be there are from the old Warsaw Pact and they are there because we are paying them. They will pull out when their people realize the money isn't worth it. We have pictures, we have statements from the investigators, the prisoners and the guards, not to mention Red Cross statements. How anyone can defend what we did is beyond me. Why don't we just fucking put targets on our men and women over there now. And if I were a conspiracist I'd say the administration plotted all this from thge torture, to it getting out (why would anyone be stupid enough to take pictures of torture, and how did they get out into the press's hands?), so that we'd see a drastic upswing in the violence against us so that we'd have more reason to stay there. So the blood of our men spilt because of this I blame 100% on Bush, Cheney and Rummy. And can only say that until we get rid of them, and show the world that the torture was not approved by the masses here and that we will punish those that did this, the Muslim world now has their martyrs. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"