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Jesus Kadath (Hail!),
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This is going downhill fast. I apologize for taking us down that particular road. Maybe we could try for civility.
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You don't seem to be able to get it, so I'm going to break it down as granularly as possible.
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Or...maybe not.
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And that support group is, what, white males? Or is it composed almost exclusively of others of the same minority/gender? Why is someone of the same skin color automagically of the same group? Why do you consistently equate gender and race as a group that we not only could, but SHOULD identify with?
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You exhaust me. I'm not the one who thinks we should identify with our own group. I am explaining to you, who apparently never wanted for a peer group, why they would want others like them.
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Again, who the hell says that some other random white male is part of "his group?" We're not all in the Klan. What is is about "identifying with people based on the false connection of skin color makes you a racist" don't you understand? Even if I went to India where white people are a minority, if I still said "I wish I was surrounded by more good old whities because I don't feel comfortable around these brownies" THAT WOULD MAKE ME A RACIST. In fact, if I was all alone on the Moon, saying or thinking that would STILL make me a racist. Where you are and what proportion of people are part of your "group," as you define them, is completely irrelevant. A racist attitude could exist even in vacuum.
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You're right. The Society of Black Engineers exists solely to form a protective barrier of brothas against the crackers. I
do grant that you could be a racist anywhere.
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I'm aware that "three" == 3, thanks.
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Not an uncommon technique in written media, much like, say, using the double equals to indicate equality rather than definition when one is experienced in coding.
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It's low. Is it low because AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL they're discouraged from signing up? Let me assure you, the answer is no. By the time you get to college, whatever damage has been done. If you want to really fix it, don't slap a band-aid on at the end of the race. Fix it at the source. If you have any proof that any one of the top, say, 20 (twenty) engineering schools have tried to keep women out in the last however many years back you care to go, you get back to me.
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They aren't actively discouraged from signing up for a career in engineering. It's a societal attitude. And in order to fix it at the source, we need more female/minority role models such as the bevy you listed so that people could look up to them. I note that you have conceded the point that there are very few women in the program, but I wonder if you would do me the favor of giving me numbers, that we might both be edified. If you do, I will be glad to explore your question regarding discrimination against women in the top twenty engineering schools.