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Originally posted by NoSoup
Alright, I think I am beginning to understand both sides of the argument a little more now. However, I pose a question.
How would you feel if there were certain governmental programs out there that helped only whites? Similarly, like Shades had said, what if there were white only/male only groups?
I completely understand that certain groups/rewards encourage women/minorities to do a certain something, be it engineering, police work, or whatever. I also am going to assume that the reasoning behind this is because white males dominate the market in these specific industries. However, why don't I see any programs out there for a male to be a hairdresser? Exotic Dancer? Paralegal?
I hope you see what I am trying to get at, and why I am not yet convinced that it is alright to have some programs out there for women/minorities with the argument that in that certain field, there are few of them, as I am sure there are fields where they are many fewer men than women...
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Well to tackle the Exotic Dancer/Paralegal thing... are there many groups out there for them for females? They're a female dominated business (at least Exotic Dancer anyways) and really don't need promoting to get more females... and for males? Well, they're probably not in great demand to begin with and on top of that, be it social pressures or what not, males generally aren't interested in that field or it is shunned upon (such as Exotic Dancer).
As for all white/male groups... sure thing if their motive is benevolent (same goes for every group out there, i can't say the same for violent racial groups though).
But I'll say one thing... one of the things is that these groups aren't there to be a "Blacks ONLY" or "Asians ONLY" or "whatever ONLY" group. Usually these groups are formed with the mind of promoting their race and allowing OTHERS to understand theirs! Usually most groups WANT others to join them to create better understanding.
The falling, however, is that with many what I call "racial tensions" between groups, however, usually what happens is that these groups become increasingly segregated into their own race enclaves. Their purpose isn't to segregate, they want to integrate, the problem is that often times, that's exactly the opposite of what happens for whatever reason.
Put it this way: if they say no to you from an Asian club, then they're discriminating. They aren't a very great group if they claim to be anti-discriminatory and that should be brought up to them. But, the real question is, how many whites or non-Asians in general are wiling to actually join an Asian group?
Probably not very many.