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shakran · 05-09-2004, 11:51 AM

It's amazing how everyone wants a black and white solution to a problem like this.

You've all divided into "it's ok for the government to stop people from having kids" vs "the government should let me have as many kids as I want, no matter what I do to them or how much money I steal from other people to care for them."

The reality is that this is a special case. These people already have 4 kids who have cocaine in their systems. The kids are in foster care. The kids are being paid for not by the people who brought them into this world, but by everyone who pays taxes.

I'm a tax payer, and I view it as stealing when someone knowingly has a kid that he/she cannot afford to have, then goes running to the government with their beggar's cup. If you can't afford to have a kid, then don't have a damn kid. I have enough to worry about paying for myself, I do not wish to pay for your children.

If you can't handle that idea, and/or you can't avoid abusing children, then you should be forbidden to have them. Don't give me that crap about constitutional rights. Even if you believe that the second amendment allows citizens to have guns (it doesn't, that's a misinterpretation, but for the sake of this argument let's say it does), felons are not allowed to have them. If you're going to protest the idea that a child abuser is not allowed to have children, then you should protest the idea that a felon is not allowed to have a gun.

Someone suggested that it would be easier to jail these people. Sure, it would, but then I am still paying for their sorry asses. Instead, the judge tried to find a solution for which Joe Taxpayer would not have their money taken from them to pay for the mistakes of these two idiots. I don't see a problem here.

05-09-2004, 11:51 AM	#34 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	It's amazing how everyone wants a black and white solution to a problem like this. You've all divided into "it's ok for the government to stop people from having kids" vs "the government should let me have as many kids as I want, no matter what I do to them or how much money I steal from other people to care for them." The reality is that this is a special case. These people already have 4 kids who have cocaine in their systems. The kids are in foster care. The kids are being paid for not by the people who brought them into this world, but by everyone who pays taxes. I'm a tax payer, and I view it as stealing when someone knowingly has a kid that he/she cannot afford to have, then goes running to the government with their beggar's cup. If you can't afford to have a kid, then don't have a damn kid. I have enough to worry about paying for myself, I do not wish to pay for your children. If you can't handle that idea, and/or you can't avoid abusing children, then you should be forbidden to have them. Don't give me that crap about constitutional rights. Even if you believe that the second amendment allows citizens to have guns (it doesn't, that's a misinterpretation, but for the sake of this argument let's say it does), felons are not allowed to have them. If you're going to protest the idea that a child abuser is not allowed to have children, then you should protest the idea that a felon is not allowed to have a gun. Someone suggested that it would be easier to jail these people. Sure, it would, but then I am still paying for their sorry asses. Instead, the judge tried to find a solution for which Joe Taxpayer would not have their money taken from them to pay for the mistakes of these two idiots. I don't see a problem here.