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Originally posted by Kadath
I'm struggling to convey this without resorting to a strawman. How about this: If you really are leftist and liberal, do you like the way to US appears to the world right now? Do you think the government represents your opinion? Are you an "average American"?
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No, I personally believe that we are burning bridges with allies and looking a bit imperialistic. If it were up to me NO COUNTRY would recieve aid until this country and our government were financially sound.
To give anyone Millions upon millions while the government runs great deficits is suicide and if you can't see that then..... It's like saying you are rich but it's all on paper and your spending exceeds your income but you continue to pay neighbors to behave, while others you give nothing to. Eventually your credit runs out and they start repoing everything, and the neighbors you paid sit there laughing, while the neighbors you gave nothing to are helping load the repo trucks.
No the government does not reflect any of my views. Especially domestic.
No, there is nothing average about me, never has been never will be.
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Originally posted by Kadath
Yeah, I'm going to say it for the third time: You don't understand how foreign aid works. It's not a pile of money that we hand over and never ask after again. A lot of US foreign aid is military aid; money that they use to buy US weapons from us.
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Ok so first you are saying we give for medical and humanitarian reasons and now it's military and it's so they buy weapons from us? Talk about double talk. Ok so we give lots and lots of money to Isreal for military and yet we have no idea why the Arabs hate us. We sent money to Iraq so he could buy the very weapons technologies that we invaded him for (supposedly).
Look I truly have no problem giving countries humanitarian aid UNDER the banner of a legitimate agency that will disperse it and keep out of politics (Red Cross, WHO, etc.) But to give money for any other reason and to governments that have no concern for human rights is wrong and has come back to haunt us everytime. NOT ONCE HAVE WE GIVEN MONEY TO A COUNTRY'S DICTATOR AND THE COUNTRY GOTTEN BETTER AND THEY THANKED THE US. NOT ONE FUCKING TIME THAT I KNOW OF. Most of those countries have seen revolutions and a hatred and attacks against the US. Examples... present and past:
Iran's Shah, Marcos in the Phillipines, the Saud family, Chevallier in Haiti, take your pick in Central and South America, Khaddafi, Saddam, the guy in Equatorial Guinea, and on and on and on.
We truly want to help Isreal and the Middle East? We stop sending Isreal money. No .... buts, no.....ifs. Plain and simple we shut down the war machine money to Isreal. If the then work for peace, once peace is achieved they get money again, but not until.
My last paragraph, was to again to call you on your crap about how a "country" cannot hate us. I'll try and restate it.
We embargo Iraq after Desert Storm part 1
We say only humanitarian aid and medical supplies get through.
Yet Saddam hoards it all and blames us for his citizens suffering and many believe we were to blame.
Much like N. Korea teaches all their problems are because of the US and their schoolkids are taught to hate the US. 60 Minutes did a huge piece on it.
But according to you, the countries can't hate us. (True the very land can't hate us BUT when I say country I mean the populace.) Yet these countries are educating their youth and have been for the past 20-30 years to hate us. So to sit there and say the countries don't hate us is flat out ridiculous.