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Old 05-05-2004, 06:28 PM   #36 (permalink)
Billy Ocean
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Originally posted by tecoyah
First, we have the right to be critical of the U.N, you are absolutely correct. In fact I have many issues with the way this organization functions. That was not the point. The essence of my post was the corruption of the United States in this affair(which you chose to disreguard), and the death and destruction likely brought about in Iraq by the greed and corporate mentality of Haliburton and assoc.
If you really want to play the transparancy card, I would suggest you focus the looking glass on what we have been doing for four years. I have been amazed at the mentality of blind tolerence our own citizenry has shown to what is obviously a corrupt administration. I say obvious, because to anyone with eyes open, and mind clear enough to see the pattern before them, we are living through the most tarnished administration in history.
As far as lives taken by corporate greed, again, look to Haliburton and security (mercinary) forces contracted out to them. You may not realize this but, there have been well over 10,000 civilian deaths in Iraq since the invasion began. Compared with an estimate of just over 9,000 military Iraqi dead. At least a small measure of these people have likely fallen to the "security" forces of our corporate military wing.

It is good to know, by the way, that you would have finished Sadam off years ago. And I am sure you had a better plan to maintain some form of stability in what is arguably the most important state in the region as far as our interests go. Blatant Macho tactics have proven to be disasterous already, as is obvious from the results achieved thus far.


I'm very fimiliar with this liberal view of things, and I simply don't agree. There's no way to quantify most of your statements because they're opinion, that's why I "disregarded" much of it. It's usually a waiste of time to speak to people who are so stuck on their own way of thought that they argue others don't have "eyes open" or "clear minds".

The essence of your first post was "The United States is probably the most guilty of corruption in this scenario." There's no way to meassure a statement like that, it's opinion. The essence of your second post is "we are living through the most tarnished administration in history." again... it's opinion. It's also an opinion that I disagree with when I consider we've had Presidents impeached and others resign. We've also had administrations that supported human slave trade and slaughtered native Americans. You're scope of history seems limited to me. What's next comparing Bush to Hitler?


My opinion on taking Saddam out years ago has nothing to do with "macho tactics". It's 20/20 hidsight now, but the ceasefire turned out to be totally botched up IMO. Iraqi opposition groups and especially the Kurds were stronger and more united in 1991 and could have supported us more. We had more international support militarily, economically, and politically. We went all the way to Baghdad and then backed off and left an open wound for years. As a result our troops stayed in Saudi Arabia for longer then they should have and our Foriegn policy became a game of waiting Saddam out "Containment". IMO "Containment" considerably fueled the fires of terrorism against the US (along with other influences). You asked what I'd do? I'd finish him off years ago.
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