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Old 05-04-2004, 05:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally posted by onetime2
And I have to laugh at those who think people are either no better than or worse off than they were 10, 20, or 30 years ago. Utterly ridiculous assertion.
That's just it people aren't better off than they were 10,20,30 years ago. They are just further in DEBT. And when the time comes to pay the DEBT..... then we'll see if we were truly better off now or 20 years ago. Don't play this "peaches and cream" card thinking we are doing much better when the trade deficit is so high that all the gold in Fort Knox and all the money in the coffers still won't cover the debt to other countries. And sooner or later they will come to cash in on it.

I have to also say, I can tell you think a lot about the future and others. That's where the Conservatives lose it. True there is no problem with making as much as you can BUT..... as a society and as a civilized country that promotes "free enterprise and capitalism" so grandly, one must realize that they are responsible to put money into the system and give others the chance they got in order for that system to work. Which means liveable wages and decent jobs. Because if you do not do this what ends up happening is a division of rich and poor and the middles shrinks to nothing. Then you have rebellion, civil war and eventually a change in government. Because when the government and the wealthy own 95% of the wealth it is not in balance and change will come. This is fact, this has been proven throughout history. France 1795, Russia 1917, the 13 colonies 1776, North vs. South USA 1861, the fall of the Roman Empire, the USSR, Cuba, 1960's Vietnam, 1950's Korea, Gandhi's India, 1900's China, 1930's Spain and so on and so on.


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Originally posted by Kadath
"People are better off" doesn't really address much. Do you mean on average? Because, yeah, there's a lot more millionaires today than there were 30 years ago.
there are more millionaires today than 20 years ago, but there is also a bigger divide between classes, families are debt ridden, and there are more living at the poverty level also. Plus there are fewer mom and pop places. Corporations rule the land.
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