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pan6467 · 05-04-2004, 01:24 PM

I have to laugh at how people keep saying "there was no decline in the economy" to suggest that the past 10-20 years have actually been rosy red and filled with great joy.

But truly, let's see, the average family is making under $50,000 per year (most average around $33,000) that means the average salary hasn't gone up that much in 20 years. Overall that is not a bad thing if prices had stayed the same as they did 20 years ago, which they haven't. In some cases to get around "raising prices" some companies just give less than they did. But overall things cost probably at least 20% more (that's just saying an uptick of 1 point of inflation a year... )

The average american family is now at least $8,000 in debt and has very little if any savings.

Health costs and prescription medications are sky rocketing out of control, while Dr.s are now picking and choosing who they will treat as they are close to becoming extinct as communities are losing Doctors left and right because of the high malpractice insurance (hell, here Dr.'s REFUSE to go into nursing homes because of the MP insurance.)

Temp and outsourcing have become the nation's leading industries next to minimum/ barely liveable wage service industry jobs.

Labor laws are heavily in favor of the employer so that an "honest day's work for an honest day's pay" doesn't mean jack. It's all about profits not the workers.

Consumer debt is skyrocketing out of control.

Debt our country OWES other country's is totally beyond control (trade deficit is growing higher than the national deficit)

Debt management, second mortgages (refinancing, equity loans, whatever you choose to call it) and bankruptcies are common practice and in fact almost suggested that you take advantage of these services when once people fought to stay away, (by saving money and working hard for DECENT WAGES,) from these as they were embarassing and showed people you were in trouble. And we all PAY for these in the long run anyway.

We manufacture practically nothing here, a nation is only as rich as the products it produces. So by consuming but not producing we are digging deeper and deeper into a pit that shall have to be filled someday. people blame the government for high taxes BUT in reality what is causing high taxes is the fact we let our industries leave us high and dry or blackmail communities so that their multi-million dollar corporation will get tax abatements, tax deferments and tax shelters to stay. The communities thinking jobs will stay, but realize as the companies outsource and close the manufacturing side down they were duped.

More simply put for those who can't understand....30 years ago taxes were relatively low, industry paid a nice portion and the workers made enough that the tax rate didn't have to be high in order to get what they needed. Thay have gone up not because of any services but because of the loss of industry. You bring back the manufacturing and decent wages the tax problems will end fast.

People truly don't care, we are being acculturated that we deserve everything and that if we can't pay someone else will.

05-04-2004, 01:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I have to laugh at how people keep saying "there was no decline in the economy" to suggest that the past 10-20 years have actually been rosy red and filled with great joy. But truly, let's see, the average family is making under $50,000 per year (most average around $33,000) that means the average salary hasn't gone up that much in 20 years. Overall that is not a bad thing if prices had stayed the same as they did 20 years ago, which they haven't. In some cases to get around "raising prices" some companies just give less than they did. But overall things cost probably at least 20% more (that's just saying an uptick of 1 point of inflation a year... ) The average american family is now at least $8,000 in debt and has very little if any savings. Health costs and prescription medications are sky rocketing out of control, while Dr.s are now picking and choosing who they will treat as they are close to becoming extinct as communities are losing Doctors left and right because of the high malpractice insurance (hell, here Dr.'s REFUSE to go into nursing homes because of the MP insurance.) Temp and outsourcing have become the nation's leading industries next to minimum/ barely liveable wage service industry jobs. Labor laws are heavily in favor of the employer so that an "honest day's work for an honest day's pay" doesn't mean jack. It's all about profits not the workers. Consumer debt is skyrocketing out of control. Debt our country OWES other country's is totally beyond control (trade deficit is growing higher than the national deficit) Debt management, second mortgages (refinancing, equity loans, whatever you choose to call it) and bankruptcies are common practice and in fact almost suggested that you take advantage of these services when once people fought to stay away, (by saving money and working hard for DECENT WAGES,) from these as they were embarassing and showed people you were in trouble. And we all PAY for these in the long run anyway. We manufacture practically nothing here, a nation is only as rich as the products it produces. So by consuming but not producing we are digging deeper and deeper into a pit that shall have to be filled someday. people blame the government for high taxes BUT in reality what is causing high taxes is the fact we let our industries leave us high and dry or blackmail communities so that their multi-million dollar corporation will get tax abatements, tax deferments and tax shelters to stay. The communities thinking jobs will stay, but realize as the companies outsource and close the manufacturing side down they were duped. More simply put for those who can't understand....30 years ago taxes were relatively low, industry paid a nice portion and the workers made enough that the tax rate didn't have to be high in order to get what they needed. Thay have gone up not because of any services but because of the loss of industry. You bring back the manufacturing and decent wages the tax problems will end fast. People truly don't care, we are being acculturated that we deserve everything and that if we can't pay someone else will. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"