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Old 05-02-2004, 01:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
Yakk
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Originally posted by FleaCircus
So we can generalize that the chance of heads coming up n times in n tosses is 1/2^n.
That's n times in a row, and correct.

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But how can we generalize the chance of heads coming up any x times in n tosses, where x<n? For example, what's the probability of any 7 of 10 tosses coming up heads?
It works out to
10C7 * 1/2^10
IIRC.

10C7 is the number of ways you can choose 7 elements out of a list of 10 elements.

It works out to
10!
---------------
(10-7)! * 7!
where n! = 1*2*3*...*n

In this case, it is
10*9*8
----------
3*2*1

which is 120.
1/2^10 * 120 is about 12%.

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Next, let's say that I have a friend who claims he's psychic, and can predict the outcome of a coin toss. If he gets 7 out of 10 tosses right, that's pretty good, but the generalization above gives us the probability of such an outcome happenning by random chance alone.

In reality, you care about the chance he got 7 8 9 or 10 right (you would be no less impressed by 8 or 9 or 10). That's

(10C7 + 10C8 + 10C9 + 10C10) * 1/2^10
=
(120 + 45 + 10 + 1) * 1/2^10
=
176 * 1/2^10
= approximatally
17%

So, getting 7 coins right is about a 1 in 5 occurrance.

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At what point does this potential for an outcome by chance alone become statistically negligible?
Statistical negligibility isn't a hard and fast point. How important is it?

However, what you care about is:
What is the chance that his ability to predict coins more accurate than 50%?

My statistics is too rusty to answer that one.

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I know that, even with a million tosses, there's still an outside chance that he could get them all correct by randomly guessing. But it's so slim a chance that, if he could get that many right (and especially if he could repeat it), then I'd presume that chance alone did not dictate the outcome.
Repeating it is quite important.

If there is a 1/10 chance he can do it once, there is a 1/100 chance he can do it twice, and a 1/1000 chance he can do it 3 times.

Of course, assuming he can cheat somehow is still a good hypothesis. Cheating at coin flips is surprisingly easy, unless you are careful.

A friend of mine used to do a neat card trick.

He'd get someone to shuffle a deck of cards, then select one card, look at it, and put it back.

Without touching the deck, he'd then try to guess what the card is.

By guess, I mean, he'd pick a random card, and say "was it a 7 of clubs?"

1 / 52 he was right, and the person he pulled the trick off on was very impressed... ;-)
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