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Old 05-04-2003, 08:39 AM   #20 (permalink)
4thTimeLucky
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Originally posted by Mr. Mojo
Socialism = "I am entitled to what you have and I will use the government to get it from you."
Socialism will not use the government to get it from you. They will use the revolution to get it from you and then the new government will own the means of production.

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The foundation of Socialist thinking--those who succeed are the cause of others' failure.
That is not the foundation of socialist thinking. If it were then it would, almost by definition, be self-defeating: anyone who succeeded in achieving a succesful socialist state would - according to this supposed founding principle - cause the citizens of that state to be failures, but then it wouldn't be successful!
The foundation of socialist thinking is that the means of production and the state's resources belong to all the citizens of the state and not the rich and powerful minority.

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Communism cant work, because it doesn’t take into account human nature.


Do you really think that socialist thinkers like Marx wrote three volume tracts like Das Capital without thinking about human nature? In fact the whole of socialist thought is about human nature. It says that power accumulates and an elite will try and subjugate the masses. Arguably this is what happened in America...

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Source: A statement made by the federal commission of President Wilson.

The ownership of wealth in the U.S. has become concentrated to a degree which is difficult to grasp. The "Rich," 2 percent of the people, own 35 percent of the wealth. The "Poor," 65 percent of the people, own 5 percent of the wealth…The largest private fortune in the U.S., estimated at one billion dollars, is equivalent to the aggregate wealth of 2,500,000 of those who are classed as "Poor," who are shown to own on average about $400 each.
What is the use of a "strong economy" if it doesn't benefit the majority of the people in that economy?

With regard to your latest post, I was not arguing in favour of socialism, I merely wanted to point out the simplicity and inaccuracy of your post.

If you want to get into a debate about how Cuba has one of, if not the, best health care system and medical research industries in the world and has proved to be a relatively prosperous country, all in the face of a relentless economic and political war waged by the biggest economy in the world, then we can do. But that wasn't why I said what I did.
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