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Slims · 04-23-2004, 05:49 PM

Ok, here's the deal w/ shotguns:

You should get a traditional stock w/ no pistol grips. If you show your face at a range w/ those pistol grips, you will look like a fool in the eyes of the serious shooting community.

When you put pistol grips on a shotgun, you lose almost all directional control over it. The only real reason for a rear pistol grip (with no stock) is because you absolutely positively cannot afford the extra length of a full stock. You will not be able to shoot anywhere nearly as well with a pistol grip on that shotgun.

The pistol grip on the front limits the positions you can fire it from, and hinders your ability to 'point' it at someone. You want to be able to just grab the weapon, sweep it onto the target, and fire, without having to search around for that grip. That grip could also possibly interfere with your ability to pump the weapon if you are behind cover (since it sticks down).

Never in my life have I seen a serious shotgunner with a front pistol grip, or with a rear pistol grip and no stock.

The rear grips w/ full stocks are not so bad, and while I do not like them, they do serve a legitimate purpose (so you can maneuver the weapon w/ one hand if you have to).

The only reason that front pistol grip is sometimes put on rifles (like some of the m-4's being used in Iraq) is to free up space on the side of the weapon for mounting bulky accessories (like infrared cameras and other sensors).

Personally, I would recommend a Mossberg 500 w/ an 18" security barrel and an extra field barrel for trap/skeet/hunting/plinking. It only takes about 30 seconds to change barrels, and you can buy both the gun and both barrels for less than 400 dollars. If you want to make it look 'badass' after that you can always throw on some black synthetic furniture and a side saddle.

Personally, I am more concerned with my weapons actually being badass, and their appearance is way down on my list of priorities.

OH yeah, and for a purely defensive weapon, the Mossberg 590 is very good as well.

04-23-2004, 05:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	Ok, here's the deal w/ shotguns: You should get a traditional stock w/ no pistol grips. If you show your face at a range w/ those pistol grips, you will look like a fool in the eyes of the serious shooting community. When you put pistol grips on a shotgun, you lose almost all directional control over it. The only real reason for a rear pistol grip (with no stock) is because you absolutely positively cannot afford the extra length of a full stock. You will not be able to shoot anywhere nearly as well with a pistol grip on that shotgun. The pistol grip on the front limits the positions you can fire it from, and hinders your ability to 'point' it at someone. You want to be able to just grab the weapon, sweep it onto the target, and fire, without having to search around for that grip. That grip could also possibly interfere with your ability to pump the weapon if you are behind cover (since it sticks down). Never in my life have I seen a serious shotgunner with a front pistol grip, or with a rear pistol grip and no stock. The rear grips w/ full stocks are not so bad, and while I do not like them, they do serve a legitimate purpose (so you can maneuver the weapon w/ one hand if you have to). The only reason that front pistol grip is sometimes put on rifles (like some of the m-4's being used in Iraq) is to free up space on the side of the weapon for mounting bulky accessories (like infrared cameras and other sensors). Personally, I would recommend a Mossberg 500 w/ an 18" security barrel and an extra field barrel for trap/skeet/hunting/plinking. It only takes about 30 seconds to change barrels, and you can buy both the gun and both barrels for less than 400 dollars. If you want to make it look 'badass' after that you can always throw on some black synthetic furniture and a side saddle. Personally, I am more concerned with my weapons actually being badass, and their appearance is way down on my list of priorities. OH yeah, and for a purely defensive weapon, the Mossberg 590 is very good as well. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence