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Mojo_PeiPei · 04-18-2004, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by Glad-I-Ate-Her
Let me get this straight, before Rantissi was killed, a Hamas suicide bomber killed a soldier and injured several others at a checkpoint. If Rantissi, authorized this, is he not a target for death also? Israel stated that this his assassination was planned several weeks in advance. In fact, they tried to take him out I believe it was in June 03.

He has always been a priority, I do believe he was one of the founding members of Hamas.

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One thing that I'm not totally clear is when the Palestinians say "occupation." My history of this conflict maybe not up to par but wasn't it in 1948 the state of Israel was formed by the UN? The lands were origianlly controlled by the English(?). Why didn't the UN make two states at that time? Also, the West Bank and part of Jerusalem was controlled by the Jordanians. And Gaza belonged to Egypt. Didn't those countries lose that land in a war started by them? I believe Syria lost some land in that conflict also. If Jordan, Egypt and Syria reall cared about the Palestinians, why didn't they instead of attacking Israel voluntarily give up those lands that they lost to them?

The six day war was actually "started by Israel, one could call it a pre-emptive strike of sorts. Leading up to the war Egypt/Syria/Jordan were trying to provoke a fight, as a result Israel was in a constant red alert stage for several months. You raise good questions about the intentions and actions of the Arab countries though, it seems that they have never acted with the Palestinians in mind.

As a side question, Glad raises a good point. WHat happened to the Palestinian state? If I remember the UN did partition the land? Did the war of Independence take it out of the picture?

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This is just a no win situation. Arafat can't control Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. even if he wanted to. If he did, then he would be killed. In the negotiations, he agreed to curtail the violence but has done nothing about it. All the meanwhile, Israel has is not supposed to protect itself.

Bottom line Arafat is an asshat. He is responsible for inciting and perpetuating violence for many many years, also I do believe that Al Aqsa is affiliated with the PA. I wish Israel would ice Arafat, I mean he serves no purpose he exerts no control of the Palestinians and Israel/America won't even deal with him. However as pointed out he is technically the "leader", Sharon should've ended him back in Lebanon.

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The level of bombings, imho, has dropped because of the Israel killings the leaders of the opposition and also in building of the security barriers.

This situation is like if a radical anti-Canadian group lives in the US. They send waves of suicide bombers to blow up random people in Canada. And the US does nothing to prevent it, then Canada has the right to protect its citizens.

You could say that both Hamas leaders that were killed are Israel's bin Laden and his second in command.

Glad

Very good summary, thats why the situation is very upsetting/confusing. If America were to kill OBL the world would rejoice, or at the very least no one would care except for some nut jub muslims. But for some reason when Israel kills known terrorists and murderers its a big deal. Baffling.