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Old 04-15-2004, 07:20 AM   #19 (permalink)
Yakk
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TiFruit typed:
The perception of chaos at the quantum level arises from the peculiarity that we can seem to CHANGE quantum reality simply by measuring something. Therefore, we can nearly prove or disprove ANYTHING simply by devising a means to measure a particular state of a particle.
Cute, but not true. Just becuase measuring changes something doesn't mean we can change something in an arbitrary way by measuring it. Your postulates do not provide sufficient evidence for your conclusion.

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If everything is so random and chaotic at that level, then why is it our reality and perception appear to only pick out those things that appear to be "in order"?
Because we evolved at a scale large enough that Quantum 'wierdness' is mostly non-apparent. The 'normal' wierd stuff (like gravity, electricity, light, etc) we are used to, and don't consider wierd. The 'wierd' stuff we consider wierd is the wierd stuff that doesn't often show up at the scale we live at.

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In order for Quantum Mechanics to be correct in stating that there are infinite instances/dimensions of our life, wouldn't our consciousness knowingly have to have some part in them?
No, many interpritations of QM say that our 'consciousness' doesn't know and can't directly know anything about the 'realities' that aren't 'close' to 'our universe'. (sigh, too many ''s)

The multi-universe interpritation of QM seems to imply that most of those universes are orthogonal to ours. That's a technical mathematical term. In the QM interpritation, it basically corresponds to 'out of reach, can no longer affect us or be affected by us'.

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My point is - Anything your mind can conceive IS reality. You doubt that because you cannot PROVE that by measurement. In the "elementary realm" this ability becomes much more pronounced, that's all.
That is consistent with QM, but it isn't nessicary to explain QM.

Then again, the 'fact' we are brains sitting in a jar in some alien kid's bedroom is consistent with QM. Consistency is not all it is cracked up to be, when you don't use something like Occam's Razor to shave off the junk.
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