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Originally posted by analog
1. We're talking about a kid- not you, not an adult of any kind, not someone applying for a job, not anything other than a kid being a fucking kid. There are plenty of things one can do while still understanding "how things are". This kid can blue mohawk himself all he wants while still understanding the implications of wearing/keeping it
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Astounding. The pro-mohawk side spends the entire thread talking about how a 6 year old can't possibly be self-aware enough to get any long-term implications on the appropriateness of hairstyles, then you step forward and say he can understand implications of wearing a mohawk. Which is it?
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My personal opinion is that "slippery slope" arguments are some of the most unfounded, nonsensical, bullshit filler arguments I ever read during the course of debate. There is nothing to found them on, nothing with which to support them, and are pure fabrications based on personal agenda
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Your personal opinion eh? care to say what you founded that on, what you support it with, and why that's not a pure fabrication based on personal agenda?
Besides, it's not a slippery slope argument. Learn what slippery slope means before you go randomly labelling arguments with it.
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I don't find any evidence to support the argument that the child in this instance wanted a mohawk just to be noticed. This is speculative at best, and only showcases your own (low) opinion of the subject without addressing the matter more directly (i.e., societal demands placed on young children, responsibility of parents, etc.).
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Simple. If someone doesn't care about being noticed for their looks, they don't do anything special with their appearance. You wear earrings because you want people to see them. You wear a necktie because you want people to see it on you. Same thing goes for a mohawk.
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Highlight 1: If you don't like me because of how I dress, then that IS your fault- and it's also your tough luck
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Again, you're astoundingly wrong. If you are asking me for a job, and I don't like your mohawk, that's YOUR tough luck because I will NOT be hiring you.
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According to what you (several of you) say, you would treat me like scum if you saw me walking down the street and think nothing of me.
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Wrong again. This is becoming a trend. I personally don't give a crap what you do with your appearance. I DO get annoyed when you alter your appearance to one which the majority of society does not accept, then bitch and moan when society doesn't accept it. You should have known that before you altered your appearance, and I frankly have no sympathy for you if you do it anyway and people don't like it.
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To those who know me, the clothing belies my demeanor, my goals, my faith, my personality, and my ability to know when to dress apropriately.
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I don't know you. I also don't care how you dress.
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Highlight 2: These people to whom you refer and who you use to typify the sub-culture you are bashing by calling them "freaks" have NO illusions as to why they find it difficult to further themselves in society.
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Oh really? Then why do I hear so much confused bitching from them that "society doesn't accept me!" They KNEW that when they did whatever it is that society doesn't accept!
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They know quite well that people in general can be dickheads and won't be more accepting of what they see around them. Need I remind you all that women were second-rate citizens for all history until recently, and people of different races are still being mistreated, looked over, harassed, and killed simply for being a different color
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Big difference. You're born with your skin color, and you're born with your gender. You're not born with a mohawk.
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Call people "freaks" and exclude them if you wish, but don't think that makes you Mr. or Ms. Perfect 2004. If many people believe a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing.
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I'm not excluding them from anything. I'm saying that if they want to dress that way, and then they get excluded, they should have expected it. If they want to be included, they should try harder to fit into mainstream society. If they don't care about being included, then they can dress however they want.
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Come down to the south in the right areas and run your mouth about gays being "normal people". While you're at it, add soemthing about how great black people are, they'll love you for that.
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You, sir, are full of shit on this argument. I note with interest that you pick on southerners for being racist against black people. Isn't that a prejudicial statement? I've lived in the south and the north, and southerners are no more racist than the northerners. Plus the fact that this statement, in addition to being a load of crap, has nothing whatsoever to do with the argument at hand. Being black is not the same as having a blue mohawk. If you cannot see the difference, then it's pointless to debate with you further.
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People like to forget that the normal of today was very often extremely taboo yesterday.
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And when mohawks become mainstream, then it will be OK for people to wear them to their jobs and to the classroom. Until that day comes, however, they're not appropriate for those places.
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In the last 100 years:
1. Slavery was normal. Very normal. Sidenote: Many of the "Framers" of the constitution some of you like to historically suck-off on a regular basis had them.
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It was? Really? I had no idea that we still had slaves in 1904. I thought slavery ended with the civil war, in 1865. The fact that you clearly don't know history (or math, one of the two) aside, slavery involved a violation of human rights. Would you care to tell me how many times Amnesty International has fought to allow schoolchildren to wear mohawks to school?
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2. Women couldn't vote. In fact, they had little to no rights whatsoever- including owning property. Beating a woman meant she deserved it, and was also quite common.
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Well at least you have the 100 years right here. Again, this is a human rights issue, not a fashion issue. Don't confuse the two. And by the way, women are still oppressed the world over. Many african women have their genitals mutilated (obviously, not by choice) when they reach puberty. Don't you think this is more important to fight against than the idea that a little kid shouldn't wear a mohawk to school?
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Goth, punk, raver, "normal", gay, black, white, purple, Man, Woman, Child... we're all human beings. Some of us, regardless of cultural affiliation, will be stupid, misguided, assholes, aloof, indifferent, rude, brash, weak, powerful, attention whores who bash those different than themselves just to be seen, attention whores who change their hair color and pierce/tattoo themselves 50 times, and just plain old common jerk-offs. Just because "some" are, doesn't mean "all" are. What a horrid way to stereotype people.
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He says, as he proceeds to stereotype everyone on the opposite side of this argument, and throws in southerners while he's at it. You're not even consistant with your views across one single post. If stereotyping is wrong, then it's wrong in all applications. It's not right only when YOU do it. . .