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Originally posted by filtherton
You honestly think allowing children to dress how they want in school will damage their job prospects later in life? Really?
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Yep. Because you're not teaching them that there's a time and place where wild appearances is appropriate, and there are times and places where those appearances are not.
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Because having a mohawk is no different from a shirt that says fuck or a penis drawn on a pair of pants? Nice comparison. I'm surprised you didn't bring up something about a kkk shirt(which you'd no doubt support since malcolm x shirts are okay).
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Excuse me? You start out by making a bullshit argument and finish up by saying I support the wearing of kkk shirts? How the hell did that happen. Do you know what logic is? Can you apply it? READ THE POST in its entirety and COMPREHEND it before you go shooting off your mouth. It'll save you from looking foolish.
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Forbidden fruit is appealing because it is forbidden. Make it not forbidden and no one will care.
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Tell me how to force every parent of every child in that school to allow their kid to get a blue mohawk and we can talk. Otherwise, quit with the sweeping grandiose ideas that have no chance in hell of succeeding in the real world.
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Score. George bush has an mba from the ivy leaagues. He's got a great reputation as a businessman.
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Your point? You still haven't listed any qualifications that YOU have to comment on what can and can not effect a child's development. At least I have the sheepskin. What do you have?
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I was just trying to point out that we could speculate for hours about what the kids are learning from this. This will not change the fact that we don't have all the details and are in no position to pretend to have a complete picture of what the children will take away from this situation. A real scientist will acknowledge when he doesn't have all of the facts and is only making vague educated guesses.
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Are you claiming to be a real scientist? What is your degree in? How many child psychology classes have you taken? How many sessions have you had with children? How many times have you observed the group dynamic of an elementary classroom?
You have absolutely no basis in fact to say that the kid will not be distracted, yet you claimed above that he would not. And you want to talk to me about vague generalizations?
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Let me introduce you to the idea of diversity as a vital factor in the strength of a community. More perspectives are often better than less perspectives. Surely that's not a foreign concept to you. Take your journalism major and do an article on biodiversity. If you don't see a connection than you might be beyond hope too.
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OK, you really need to learn what diversity is. It's differences between cultures, not hairstyles. Let's ground our arguments in reason, shall we?
And as I said, if you want to wear a mohawk, that's great. Don't bitch when others think you're bizarre.
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My point is that letting this child have a mohawk won't damage his future ability to get a job. Prove to me that it will without using a slippery slope argument and without making questionable jumps in logic.
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Because letting him have a mohawk, or pierce his nose, or get 7 piercings in his ear, or lip, or navel, or nipples, or letting him lead his girlfriend around school on a leash (i've seen that, btw) is teaching him the attitude that he should look however he wants to look, and fuck society if society doesn't approve. That's all well and good, but when he takes that fuck society attitude into the interview, it's gonna shine through like a spotlight.
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Of course you have to conform. What we are talking about here is the degree to which someone should conform. I presume that you don't believe in absolute conformity. I hope you can see that there are different degrees of conformity as well as different kinds. I hope you can see the value of nonconformity in that it has been a vital component in many of humanity's greates achievements.
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Looking respectable in school is not asking too much in the way of conformity. Mohawks are not a vital component of humanity's greatest achievements. I would be willing to wager that at no time in history has a mohawk been responsible for any achievement, great or small.
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This isn't really relevant to appearance. I just wanted to point out that if the world were left to realists, like you claim to be, we'd still be in the middle ages hanging off of the pope's nuts.
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and if the world were left to people who felt they should be able to do whatever they want, look like whatever they want, say whatever they want, we'd have long ago descended into total anarchy and wouldn't have even reached the technology of the middle ages.
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What does sunburn have to do with this? You are aware that sunburn isn't the result of closedmindedness, right? You're problem is that you're afraid of being a reject.
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Until you demonstrate that you are qualified, please stop analyzing me, because frankly you're not very good at it. I am not afraid of being a reject. I am realistic enough to know that if I do certain things society might not like it. In other words, I'm smart enough to realize that my actions have consequences. Too many people are utterly shocked when society doesn't like the 10 rings in their lip. These people are idiots. That's my entire point.
Try rereading my post if you're still confused about the sunburn bit.
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You seem to put so much value in the opinions of others that you can't bear the idea of having to carry the weight of someone else's disdain.
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When I'm in a job interview, where I'm asking that someone else to hire me, you're damn right I put value in his opinion. Only an idiot would not.
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At least, that's how you're coming across. Perhaps not, but that is what i gather from your desire to not be a reject.
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Wrong again. Listen, I said if the kid wants a mohawk in the summer, that's fine. He's not expected to be a member of a classroom. When he IS expected to be a member of the classroom, he should also be expected to act like one. Mohawks, like penis paintings and fuck you shirts, are not appropriate in school. If you think that what you wear cannot influence a child, then I assume YOU are OK with people wearing a KKK shirt to school.
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What if they dress alternatively when they are not working? Like i said above and before, anybody with half a brain knows that you have to dress conservative to get most jobs so, while i agree with your perspective on this one point, i don't really think it is relevant.
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I really don't think you're reading my posts in their entirety. Or if you are, you are failing utterly to comprehend them. Your arguments are consistantly not based on what I said.
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I guess i just mistook your choice of loaded words and negative generalizations when refering to those different from you. You were just coming across like you had a big chip on your shoulder when it comes to gothkids.
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No, I wasn't. I was coming across as someone who did not understand why "gothkids" are so surprised when people have a negative reaction to what they are doing. If they want to be goth, that's fine, but they need to understand that not everyone is going to like it.
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Sorry for reading between the lines. Perhaps in the future you could avoid using loaded words like "freak" "reject" or resorting to mischaracterizations like and maybe you won't come across so bitter.
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Perhaps in the future, before reading between the lines, you could actually read the lines themselves. I think that would help you understand what it is that I am saying.
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Also, perhaps we could benefit from communicating using neutral language so as not to stir passions any more than they need to be.
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What would be the fun in that?