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Old 04-07-2004, 07:17 PM   #36 (permalink)
denim
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Originally posted by bermuDa
I think it is relevant to the discussion, because the issue isn't about big brother, it's when does a baby become a viable human being, so when does the mother become responsible for their children, instead of their own body?
Not to me, sir. It's about keeping government in its place, and keeping the neighbors from invading where they're not needed or wanted. Busybodies need not apply, and all that.

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I suppose women should have the right to abuse their own bodies with drugs and alcohol, but at what point during pregnancy does this become child abuse?
Some time after the pregnancy is over, or did you miss my point?

You can't guarantee an equal chance to all children, just as you can't guarantee good parenting. We're not likely to have "parenting licenses" any time soon, neither are we likely to have agreement as to what should be in such classes.


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What kind of choice is it to carry a fetus to term only to make a selfish decision that puts their child's life in danger... A viable person on the brink of existence should have the opportunity to be born safely.
People don't necessarily choose to have children. Sometimes, it just "happens" as a result of certain activities. So it goes. To then force them to not only be parents but be good parents is nice in an ideal world, which this isn't.

In this world, we have to give people context, which means both what they do and what we do to them has meaning we may not intend. To force people to be parents and even good parents is, in some cases, like trying to force a horse to sing: it won't happen.


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When does the baby become an individual person with the right to live?
No one has a right to life. Throw a person out of a plane at 30000ft and tell the universe of their right to life. Throw them in the middle of an ocean and ditto.


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My fear is that a decision to recognize a child still in the womb as a living person with rights of its own is the first step in chipping away at a woman's right to choose. This individual case may not be about abortion, but the ramifications of the precedence its ruling will create will definitely be used in the future arguments over choice.
Exactly, and worse.
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