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skullfunk · 04-06-2004, 10:11 AM

"new version"
There is an argument that goes, if Jesus had to die for our sins then we should thank those who killed him. Therefore, hug a Jew today! For, otherwise we would not be saved. It is a small problem I have with the crucifixion story, but one that a creative mind can get around if he or she wants to cling to his or her faith.

When Jesus says "God why have you forsaken me?" it tells me that he doesn't know that he has to die for our sins. Of course, it could also mean that he knows he doesn't have to die for our sins and is kinda mad that God put him in that position.

"old version (I think I was drunk when I wrote this)"
To join this discussion late, for Christianity to make sense, Jesus could not have died for our sins. If this is so, then the Jews HAD to do what they did. We should therefore lionize them for killing the "Son of God." You can't condemn another people for saving all of humanity, can you?

By the way, if Jesus says "God why have you forsaken me?" then he probably didn't have anything to do with the claim that he had to die for our sins. But, then, we have no way to tell because the Bible was written at least decades after the events that are reported.

04-06-2004, 10:11 AM	#15 (permalink)
skullfunk Upright Location: Michigan	"new version" There is an argument that goes, if Jesus had to die for our sins then we should thank those who killed him. Therefore, hug a Jew today! For, otherwise we would not be saved. It is a small problem I have with the crucifixion story, but one that a creative mind can get around if he or she wants to cling to his or her faith. When Jesus says "God why have you forsaken me?" it tells me that he doesn't know that he has to die for our sins. Of course, it could also mean that he knows he doesn't have to die for our sins and is kinda mad that God put him in that position. "old version (I think I was drunk when I wrote this)" To join this discussion late, for Christianity to make sense, Jesus could not have died for our sins. If this is so, then the Jews HAD to do what they did. We should therefore lionize them for killing the "Son of God." You can't condemn another people for saving all of humanity, can you? By the way, if Jesus says "God why have you forsaken me?" then he probably didn't have anything to do with the claim that he had to die for our sins. But, then, we have no way to tell because the Bible was written at least decades after the events that are reported. Last edited by skullfunk; 07-11-2004 at 07:57 PM..