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Old 04-06-2004, 05:45 AM   #17 (permalink)
Sun Tzu
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Originally posted by Rangsk
People have to realize something. Israel was founded by the Jewish survivors of WWII. These people had to be subborn in order to survive. Israel was founded with a crucial thought - "never again!" Never will the Jewish people not have a place to go while being persecuted. Jews will always have a safe harbor when no one else will take them. Maybe people don't realize just how small Israel is... and some map-makers draw it even smaller, due to "disputed" areas. Are the people of the world so insensitive as to not allow the Jews even this much?

The Palestinians are just the next people to threaten the Jewish way of life, and when Israel says "never again," they mean it! I am a Jew myself, but I am also a reasonable person. Having said that, I think that Israel is justified to defend itself, even if the enemy does not have the organization into a country that "normal" enemies of the past had.

Why some people vehemently side with the Palestinians will always be beyond me, but I still respect them and what they have to say. However, after reading all of their arguments, I have yet to see an argument which could possibly stand a chance of convincing Israel to, after only 50-odd years, abandon their pledge for eternal survival.
I don't want to put words in your mouth and Im just trying to make sure I'm interpreting what your stating:

I understand your thoughts on the reasons why Jewish people should have a homeland; but are you stating indirectly the most founded reason why they (Israeli political descion makers) are in the right is because of the reality that they have a superior military. In the theme of the one with the biggest guns is the one who is truly right; survival of the fittest?

The reason I've brought this up is how you've started your post. "Israel was founded by WWII survivers." I'm not disageeing with that statement; infact I've seen some Israeli supporters sway from that view, because of its migratory suggestion. As I understand a major part of the founding was done by immigrating Zionists to be specific. These immigrants were entering the "Holy Land" with a population of 757,182. 11% of which were Jews already living there. I'm curious in what your views of the other 89% of people that were living there are.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with the points I read you stating that contribute to you being puzzled on some that disagree with certain policies of Israel (or "siding with the Palestinians" as you put it) are that the Israeli governement is justified in its past and present actions because:

1. The very foundation is land where something such as the Holocaust would never be tolerated to happen again to the Jewish people. (and hopefully anyone else. . .)

2. Jews can have a safe haven when no one else will take them.

3. Its only a small piece of land.

4. The "enemy" has not been recognized by the United Nations as having a state, only alloted areas.

5. Israel has only been around for 50 years; the passion for enternal survival in what sounds as a world against Jews is too strong to be questioned in such amount of time.



Did I interpret your post right?
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