Re: Re: Palestinians can't get enough of Gibson's The Passion
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Originally posted by Sparhawk
No comment other than to complain about stupid ass Reuters reports that say Muslims don't believe Jesus was crucified. They don't argue that he wasn't crucified, they argue that he isn't the Son of God.
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Sparhawk, I think Muslims believe that Jesus ascended directly into Heaven because he was a prophet. Someone else was crucified--either an imposter or a different Jesus.
Obviously, Christians believe that without the crucifixion, there can be no blood redemption. So this teaching implies to Christians that they do not have salvation. This has been the dominant contention between Muslims and Christians.
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However, let us address the Islamic factor first. This is a movie centered entirely on a major Prophet, portrayed, of course, by an actor. For that reason alone (forget the huge amounts of gore) Muslims may want to avoid The Passion of the Christ. The Qur'an refutes the Crucifixion story. The Qur’an says that Jesus was not killed nor crucified; only the likeness of that was shown to the people and Jesus was saved and raised up unto Allah—(4:157-158.)
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-- http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-chat/1092695/posts
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Muhammad's unfamiliarity with orthodox Christians or with their Scriptures is evident throughout the Qur'an. The text refutes Christian claims that Jesus died on the cross, that he was the son of God, and that God is a triune being. It also refutes claims Christians have never made, including that Mary was a sister of Aaron and Moses (Sura 19:28) and that Mary was part of the Trinity.
Muslims do not accept the prophet's ignorance as the reason for these discrepancies. They argue that Muhammad and his text are correct, but Christians and Jews corrupted their Scriptures—every single copy.
Cultural factors also contributed to Muhammad's misunderstanding of Christianity. Given the common Arab view in his time that success signals divine blessing, it would have been very difficult for him to believe that Allah would let any of his prophets die by crucifixion. The Qur'an scoffs at the very idea.
Sura 4:157 contains the famous denial. After reference to those who attack God's prophets, it talks about those who boast "we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God."
The text goes on to say: "but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not."
From this one verse comes Muslim objection to the Christian redemption narrative.
Ahmed Deedat, a popular Muslim apologist, goes to great lengths to argue that the New Testament actually teaches what was revealed to Muhammad on the topic. Deedat's pamphlet Crucifixion or Crucifiction? claims that abandoning belief in Calvary will free the Christian "from his infatuation and will have freed the Muslim world from missionary aggression and harassment."
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--http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/2002/002/1.10.html
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Last edited by smooth; 04-02-2004 at 07:49 PM..
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