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Originally posted by BuDDaH
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Yours weren't denied equal rights until about 30 odd years ago.
but this lawsuit isn't about equal rights. it's about the slave trade.
But yet the first person to die for YOUR rights as an AMERICAN and for what became the Proclamation of Independence and the Constitution
in the American Revolution wasn't one of "you's", it was a FREED AFRICAN.
sorta. crispus attucks death in the boston massacre is often cited as the first. others consider the battle of lexington, 6 years later, to hold the first death. doesn't really matter. you know how crispus died? he and a lot of other people were taunting the british gaurds throwing sticks and one of the guns was accidently fired. doesn't sound like he died some noble death.
Now, between the 1st President to the 15th, slavery prospered, the businesses then are those mentioned now. The 16th President put it in WRITING to abolish slavery and the Civil War was created by people who want to keep the Black Americans in chains. He even gotten assasinated by another so called American who wanted slavery to continue because of these same businesses was losing profit.
not to be rude/mean, but if you think this was the cause, then you have a very juvenile understanding of the causes of the civil war and the reason for the emanciption proclimation. it's much more complicated than that, and slavery was merely a piece in the pie.
From the 17th to the 37th President, the ammendments in place FINALLY took effect. So, in a nutshell, you have over 400 years headstart on indifference to the Black American for them to achieve equality. You think big business shouldn't compensate for SOMETHING for 400 years work they got for free?
well, last time i checked, indifference to a group doesn't hold them back. also, if big business got 400 years of free work, then they must have been around and america colonized and ready for slaves by 1463. slavery in america lasted about 200-250 years, when you consider the first colony at james town was in the early 1600's, and slaves did not arrive right with them, nor did they arrive in any real numbers right away.
Historically proven, the American Navy got so big back then not to patrol and keep America safe but to make bigger ships to carry SLAVES, financed by the BANKS for a percentage of the SLAVE trade, and morgaged the BOATS to the TOBACCO growers, who provided the cash.
okay, you're gonna need to do some proof show'n, cause i've studied pre-civil war american history in college, and i've never heard that.
Now it is PROVEN through forensic evidence that these companies were there.
i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't really mean this. there is no forensic evidence. there are records and files. that is not forensic evidence. forensic evidence would be hair and fingerprints and blood left at a crime scene.
I want to see them squirm..
so your (appearantly) biased desire to see them squirm makes you more right then us?
The Jews, who were persecuted and forced into forced slavery during the Holocaust, had their cases heard and many companies were caught profitting from them, and they got fined and had to pay compensation.
they did not sue because they were put into slavery. they sued because they were robbed of their possesions and put into concentration camps and killed. it is not the same as owning a slave in order to get work out of him. those that went to the camps were put there to be productive until they died of illness or starvation. slaves were not treated nearly as bad as the jews were. also, the world there was a different place and time, with different moralities. no laws were broken. you may not like it, and it may have sucked majorly for them, but that was the way of the world. the african's enslved the africans too. actually, until the 14-1500s, slavery was not race based and anyone could be a slave. i'm not sure what caused the change, but it's not america's fault.
also, you can compensate a holocaust survivor or direct descendent for the loses caused by the nazi's. how do you compensate someone for something that may or may not have been lost, how much is not known, and a direct relation cannot really be proven? i know that if my dad dies, my mom, or the next direct surviving relative gets an insurance check and inheratance. but someone 10 generations away? no, they wouldn't get squat. especially if you can't prove a direct relationship. hell, why not give me compensation for the Spanish Inquisition. I'm a jew, their stuff was stolen and they were killed if they didn't convert. since i'm a jew, i must be elegable.
They have been doing it much longer than what they German's did to the Jews.
Your history lesson is over.
You just got 0wn3d.
*continue your debate, if you can.*
i would have to say that you got owned, if for no other reason then claiming owned status before owning occured, and the debate can continue.