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Old 03-28-2004, 05:15 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Re: Does the universe exist if noone observes it?

Ok, to answer the original question:

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Originally posted by noahfor
Does something exist if you can never observe it or observe any effects from it, but it is being observed by other beings?
Of course. I may not have any knowledge of it, but it still exists. My girlfriend may cheat on me, and bring the secret to her grave. I would never know that it happened, doesn't change the objective fact that it did actually happen.

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It exists to the being observing it, but does it exist universally, or is its existence subjective? Is existence subjective?
No. It's not.

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Think of another universe existing outside of this one. Where exactly is it?
Think of a piece of music. Where is it? Is it located in the pages of the sheet music? In the instruments? In the air molecules? In the brains of the musicians?

Where is pi?

Some questions are meaningless. Some things don't have a position.
Things have a position relative to each other. So this computer is "in front of me". London is "in England". etc. Asking where an unobserved, non-interacting, universe is, is a meaningless question. It doesn't have a position.

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How can something exist outside of this universe. It seems like an imagination, but what if it exists. Does it really exist to us in this universe or only to the people in the other universe?
What does the phrase "exist to us" mean? Things exist or they don't. Things don't exist "to" other people.

We know our universe exists, and we act accordingly.
We know nothing of any other universe which may exist, hence we don't act in any way with relation to this universe.
Perhaps that is what you mean.

But the point is, that these are facts describing people not universes.
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