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So you are ?not trying to figure out if the stuff is there??you are just trying to figure out if it exists?
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yea, i've been trying to say that existence without a consciousness to observe it is different than just stuff being there. there is nothing outside of the universe, nothing, non existance, but I'm saying things exist outside of the universe, not outside spacially, just not anywhere within the space of the universe, right, so im saying something is outside of the universe and nothing is, right, so its there but nowhere to us, because where is a relative spacial attribute, and its there because it exists, and i dont mean in another dimension that is part of this universe, i mean like where is the universe if there is nothing outside of it, nowhere really, so this universe is nowhere, but if it is not being observed it doesnt really seem real, and if it is then it does to the observer, but if there is nothing outside the universe, and this is all there is, how can there be anything else, im saying it does not exist to us because this is all that exists, but someone else is observing it, really im just rambling on so at least someone gets what im say.
the whole "who cares" attitude is pretty lame considering this is a philosophy discussion board, its just fun to talk about, thats why i care