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Originally posted by filtherton
I thought i did give reasons and evidence. You chose one thing and refuted in a way that proved to me that you missed the point of why i said it.
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To that end of my post I should have specified who I was talking to. I was talking to
motdakasha , my mistake, who posts :
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motdakasha says:
That is a grossly inaccurate overgeneralization. You might like to think that most guys aren't creepy and obsessive. That doesn't mean it's reality. Guys are just as messed up as you like to think "some women" are.
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How does that disprove it?
Back to filthertons argument.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
My point was that "a bunch of people i know" agreeing with an idea doesn't make said idea any more real than if nobody agrees with it.
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It is not "real".. it is a theory. It is not a law, nor is it a proof. It is a generalization. It only claims to encompass a majority of people. That would mean, 50.0000000000000000000000001% of the population, since we are messing around with meaningless numbers. And , it would have to be the adult (still dating) population of the world, so that takes it down that only 20% would have to meet the criteria to make the ladder theory plausible. I know at least 1 out of 5 people I meet are going to react as the ladder theory describes, so I believe it is a "real" theory.
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My argument is that ladder theory, while applicable to many people, is mostly generalization and as such has little value on an interpersonal level. Its the kind of bullshit psuedopsychology that can perpetuate bullshit stereotypes and convince people not to take responsibility for their behavior.
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I'll agree there. It is bullshit pseudopsychology whose purpose is take away responsibility, but that doesn't mean elements aren't true.
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While he mentions "field testing" he fails to be specific, only mentioning girls in clubs. This makes me assume that this little theory applies to club girls. That might make more sense, but it hardly results in a solid scientific theory. Hello? Spend all your time in the stable and you're likely to get some shit on your shoes. That doesn't mean that everything is shit.
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Where do you meet girls? Where do the
majority of people outside of college/high school meet girls?
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Do you think 99.9999999% of women are bitches? Which is it, your mom or your girlfriend or your sister or your grandmother? Are you "man" enough tell her to her face?
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Perhaps I should say "females that an average person (notice the generalization again.... ) would want to date". This can include any women that any male would want to date, not just women that a 19-28 year old male would want to
My mom, girlfriend, grandmother, and every woman I met in my life could be not a bitch and that would still be less than .00001% of females and not disprove the theory.
I have told plenty of my female acquaintances that they were being bitches... but it takes alot to get me riled up.
I can't disprove that 99.99% of females are bitches... so I guess I'll agree with it for the sake of the generalization that is the ladder theory.
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I have plenty of female friends who i don't want to fuck. And if i did fuck a female friend and got burned i would attribute it to some bullshit ladder. I'd attribute to the fact that fucking your friends is sometimes a really stupid thing to do.
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You probably are right, but you wouldn't fuck a 'friend' in the first place. And neither would most guys. The main point of the ladder theory outlines the differences between a typical males definition of 'friend' and a females.
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Befriending people just because you want to fuck them is an incredibly inconsiderate way to treat people. I'm not trying to sound self-righteous.
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I agree with you again. I think it is completely stupid, and violates common courtesy. However, I and many of my friends ( male and female) have subconciously did so because they think it is the 'right' thing to do.
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This theory assumes that all people are shallow, selfish, and led either by greed or libido.
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A majority. I'm not trying to get semantic here, but "all" completely changes things. It would become the "LADDER LAW" otherwise.