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Originally posted by filtherton
Surfin USA
No one was forced to pray outside of school. Schools were forced to not officially take part in and/or sponsor prayer. There is a difference. I agree that for cosistency's sake other religions shouldn't be represented either. Most places already refer to winter break as winter break. What's wrong with accuracy?
The children I was refering to chose to pray.
It wasn't forced upon them.
They were forced to be silent even if they chose to pray during study period.They had to make their own clubs which could only meet before or after school. Some schools wouldn't even allow them to use the building.
You don't think that's repressing free speech ?
It's disgusting to think that someone may get suspended for praying.
Painting this as an issue of censorship completely misses the whole point of this debate. This is about freedom from religion and keeping the goverment from endorsing one set of religions over another.
I completely disagree and find more and more people wanting to ban religious ideas by using the excuse it's forced on them.
It's like saying you're being forced to buy certain products because you've seen them advertised on T.V.
Sorry, not buying.
If? There are many places where reciting the pledge every day is mandatory. Individual students can opt out, but somebody has to say it. If you think there aren't any objections to this then you're not paying attention.
As Bill O'Reilly would say
COME ON FILTHERTON !
WAKE UP !
People are much more worried about the "God" thing.
So your whole argument against it is that you think is petty? Well, if it's such a nonissue why do you care either way? Besides, just mentioning a god is an endorsement of monotheism and an exclusion of nonmonotheists. That shouldn't be difficult to understand.
How about it being devoted all to one country ?
That pretty much exlcudes the rest of the world.
lol
That's a weak argument.
Damn liberals, if only there was some way the government could just make them all shut the hell up. This isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue. This is about further defining the separation between the church and the state. I think people who see things only in terms of liberal vs. conservative are overly simplistic and easily manipulated. I'm not saying that this applies to you.
I believe the A.C.L.U. and the majority of far left liberals are almost fanatically gung-ho anti-religious.
Many flaunt their despise towards it.
This is pure opinion but I assure you, it's not shared by me alone.
Condemning religion as an inferior belief is judgemental, stereotyping , closed minded ,divisive and many times prejudiced.
I thought liberals were against the persecution of people because of their lifestyle ?
How about repressing people of speech due to their beliefs ?
Doesn't seem like equal rights for the religious children in public schools and private semi-religious organizations such as the boy scouts.
Probably because you don't really understand the difference between things that a private citizen can say and things that the goverment can say as defined by current constitutional interpretations.
The children wanted to pray in school during study hall or free time.
They were told they can't.
They ARE citizens.
I fail to see how preventing children from saying or practicing what they hold as a belief or philosophy relates to the seperation of church and state.
I believe it's blown up way out of porportion and a big fucking waste.
As robin williams would say, "I neeeed moooooooore cooooocaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiine!"
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This was a nice thread but I have diamonds to sell and people to swindle.