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Really ?
I thought many schools banned prayer and even punished students for it. That some students were even forced to make their prayers an after curricular activity which was still frowned upon.
I seem to remember manger scenes being removed from some schools while allowing the candles for Hannukah and things for Kwaanza. People even want to change the name of Christmas vacation.
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Surfin USA
No one was forced to pray outside of school. Schools were forced to not officially take part in and/or sponsor prayer. There is a difference. I agree that for cosistency's sake other religions shouldn't be represented either. Most places already refer to winter break as winter break. What's wrong with accuracy?
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But, you don't see this as simple censorship and just plain petty idiocy?
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Painting this as an issue of censorship completely misses the whole point of this debate. This is about freedom from religion and keeping the goverment from endorsing one set of religions over another.
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Also, it seems that if schools really do require that students recite this pledge, that there would be alot more objections to it.
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If? There are many places where reciting the pledge every day is mandatory. Individual students can opt out, but somebody has to say it. If you think there aren't any objections to this then you're not paying attention.
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Merely the usage of 2 words "Under God"
(which I don't think was originally meant for people of only one faith to begin with)
seems quite petty to me and certainly not forcing anyone to believe in religion.
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So your whole argument against it is that you think is petty? Well, if it's such a nonissue why do you care either way? Besides, just mentioning a god is an endorsement of monotheism and an exclusion of nonmonotheists. That shouldn't be difficult to understand.
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I think liberals love to make mountains out of mole hills. I don't believe any children are getting traumitized or negatively influenced by it.
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Damn liberals, if only there was some way the government could just make them all shut the hell up. This isn't a liberal vs. conservative issue. This is about further defining the separation between the church and the state. I think people who see things only in terms of liberal vs. conservative are overly simplistic and easily manipulated. I'm not saying that this applies to you.
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I find people using the censorship and freedom of speech excuse for people like Howard Stern and then flip flopping to remove anything religiously affililiated from public access very hypocritcal.
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Probably because you don't really understand the difference between things that a private citizen can say and things that the goverment can say as defined by current constitutional interpretations.
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As Robin Williams would say, "it's ironical"
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