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Sun Tzu · 03-23-2004, 11:59 AM

Its my opinion that these are among the most damaging passenges. I see these few words being the cause of alot of trouble; in the worst kinds of ways. Especially to individuals such as myself that see the Bible (especially the old test) as something similiar to Homer's writings.- I do rephrase IMO

"Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son; you shall call his name Ishmael; because The Lord has given heed to your affliction. He shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against every man and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen." (Genesis 16:11-12).

"Cast out this slave woman with her son; for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac." (Genesis 21:10 RSV)

Genesis 17
17Then Abraham bowed down to the ground, but he laughed to himself in disbelief. "How could I become a father at the age of one hundred?" he wondered. "Besides, Sarah is ninety; how could she have a baby?" 18And Abraham said to God, "Yes, may Ishmael enjoy your special blessing!"
19But God replied, "Sarah, your wife, will bear you a son. You will name him Isaac,[1] and I will confirm my everlasting covenant with him and his descendants.

There's been war ever since. The irony that both sides have the same father is overwhelming.

The Protocols shouldnt come into play; because theres too much debate over whether they're faked or not. Some may see their reference as being anti-semetic, distracting any point your trying to make. (unless your talking in a Illuminati or Bohemian Grove conspiracy thing) with a overtone of poltical correctness over it. I think they also damage the understanding (yeah some disagree) that there is a difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist. If you dont know; its worth researching.

03-23-2004, 11:59 AM	#71 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	Its my opinion that these are among the most damaging passenges. I see these few words being the cause of alot of trouble; in the worst kinds of ways. Especially to individuals such as myself that see the Bible (especially the old test) as something similiar to Homer's writings.- I do rephrase IMO "Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son; you shall call his name Ishmael; because The Lord has given heed to your affliction. He shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against every man and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen." (Genesis 16:11-12). "Cast out this slave woman with her son; for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac." (Genesis 21:10 RSV) Genesis 17 17Then Abraham bowed down to the ground, but he laughed to himself in disbelief. "How could I become a father at the age of one hundred?" he wondered. "Besides, Sarah is ninety; how could she have a baby?" 18And Abraham said to God, "Yes, may Ishmael enjoy your special blessing!" 19But God replied, "Sarah, your wife, will bear you a son. You will name him Isaac,[1] and I will confirm my everlasting covenant with him and his descendants. There's been war ever since. The irony that both sides have the same father is overwhelming. The Protocols shouldnt come into play; because theres too much debate over whether they're faked or not. Some may see their reference as being anti-semetic, distracting any point your trying to make. (unless your talking in a Illuminati or Bohemian Grove conspiracy thing) with a overtone of poltical correctness over it. I think they also damage the understanding (yeah some disagree) that there is a difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist. If you dont know; its worth researching. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking* Last edited by Sun Tzu; 03-23-2004 at 04:30 PM..